Code Geass: Lelouche of the Rebellion

episode 8 was amazing. It doesn't surprise me how surprising lulouches plans are.....because they are surprising and then of course I'd be surprised...

It was awesome.

I'm starting to get real disappointed in what season two has given to us so far. Especially the last episode (10), it was just plain bad, especially when they in some way were able to predict each others move like I don't know what and then claim they were masters of strategy and tactics. Zero is losing all the time (losing all the credibility as being some kind of evil genius which was the cool thing about him) and he's turning into a bawwing emotional bitch who's making lots of weird AND stupid decisions.

Most of the characters are losing colour in my opinion and it doesn't feel like there's any good development between them. Many characters have gotten introduced in the new season, but after a while just been left behind with no importance to the plot at all. What I liked about the first season was that practically every character introduced had some importance to the progression of the plot line.

There's like no tactics or strategy left in the series, even though I guess there wasn't too much real strategy in the first season neither, but back then it felt just a bit plausible and "OMGWTFBBQ" worthy. Anyhow, now it's all about who has the biggest mecha-penis and how many goatse-wide plot holes they can fit into one episode.

Anyone who's starting to feel the same?

Originally Posted by nanaman

I'm starting to get real disappointed in what season two has given to us so far. Especially the last episode (10), it was just plain bad, especially when they in some way were able to predict each others move like I don't know what and then claim they were masters of strategy and tactics. Zero is losing all the time (losing all the credibility as being some kind of evil genius which was the cool thing about him) and he's turning into a bawwing emotional bitch who's making lots of weird AND stupid decisions.

Most of the characters are losing colour in my opinion and it doesn't feel like there's any good development between them. Many characters have gotten introduced in the new season, but after a while just been left behind with no importance to the plot at all. What I liked about the first season was that practically every character introduced had some importance to the progression of the plot line.

There's like no tactics or strategy left in the series, even though I guess there wasn't too much real strategy in the first season neither, but back then it felt just a bit plausible and "OMGWTFBBQ" worthy. Anyhow, now it's all about who has the biggest mecha-penis and how many goatse-wide plot holes they can fit into one episode.

Anyone who's starting to feel the same?

Quite the opposite. Anybody who didn't survive the transistion from S1 to R2 wasn't important enough or had their story finished and over with (Shirley, for example).

The Xing-ke/Zero one upping each other in Turn 10 was largely due to the fact that Zero is no longer facing a bunch of incompetent morons this season, with Schniezel being a perfect match for Lelouch's genius and Xing-ke being his own special brand of plot hax, it's become obvious he's not going to be able to win as easily as he did the first time around, but that's part of what makes it so fun to watch.

As for the Zero baawww thing, we get one episode where he mopes about after being masterstroked by the emperor, and all of a sudden he's a whiny bitch? Wow. Sure he had his day then, but overall he's grown quite a bit and has learned to go with the flow more and not go into instant defeat mode the moment someone pulls a fast one on him, rather turning to his genius ability and his support around him to pull off comeback victories.

Return of OOOOORRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGE is going to be all kinds of great.

I don't feel like season 2 has lost its touch at all. Episode 10 did bore me a little but thats because I usually like zero's plans work out and reach an awesome climax. Although it was nice to see him struggle for once and see him get caught in someone's trap, now he just going to have to work harder for it.
And what can you really expect from the character development, this is season 2 of course. Most of the characters are from season 1 and have already been introduced and thus they still share the same type of relationship with each other or have the same hate toward zero at this point its just a matter of who zero tries to screw over and how they want to get him back. And plus Xing-ke had some backstory told, doesn't that count o-0

Originally Posted by Tails

Quite the opposite. Anybody who didn't survive the transistion from S1 to R2 wasn't important enough or had their story finished and over with (Shirley, for example).

Well yeah I know that, but still it feels like there have been too many characters introduced that I can't quite understand why they were added except for fanservice. It just feels unmotivated especially when there's barely any development on most of the characters.

Originally Posted by Tails

The Xing-ke/Zero one upping each other in Turn 10 was largely due to the fact that Zero is no longer facing a bunch of incompetent morons this season, with Schniezel being a perfect match for Lelouch's genius and Xing-ke being his own special brand of plot hax, it's become obvious he's not going to be able to win as easily as he did the first time around, but that's part of what makes it so fun to watch.

I know why supposedly Zero is getting his ass kicked, that they're supposed to be much smarter than the average dudes he met early on in season 1. What I'm bothered about is that as a matter of fact there's no special or smart tactics going on even though they're supposed to be great tacticians or whatever, Zero is getting beat up for always doing stupid decisions, letting his emotions get in the way or because his mecha-penis is too small. And it just doesn't make any sense, the "tactics" that were used in ep 10 were real weird and I don't think anyone with in one's right mind would really risk going in like Xing-ke did just because he somehow had a feeling that Zero would do like he did. Also how come the only place in the middle of the battlefield that didn't get flooded was EXACTLY in the middle of Zero's troops and where Xing-ke's troop stood, well, how damn lucky isn't that. There's nothing genius about that, just damn luck. In the end, going after Kallen was meaningless and Zero is starting to get freaked up.

And with the hardships he's meeting now I'm just not seeing him winning over Britannia. I just don't want to see him acquire some pwnhax somewhere near the end just so he can beat Britannia.

Originally Posted by Tails

As for the Zero baawww thing, we get one episode where he mopes about after being masterstroked by the emperor, and all of a sudden he's a whiny bitch? Wow. Sure he had his day then, but overall he's grown quite a bit and has learned to go with the flow more and not go into instant defeat mode the moment someone pulls a fast one on him, rather turning to his genius ability and his support around him to pull off comeback victories.

It's more than just that one time. What I meant with bawwing bitch side is that it's getting in the way of his battles, he's getting too emotional. It was such a stupid decision to try go after Kallen in ep 10, just because he has some feelings for her. He's getting too soft and it's helping no one.

Well hopefully, it will change later on in the season. I'm not really saying that the whole second season has been bad, been some good stuff, but the last eps definitely have been bad, in comparison to the greatness of the first season.

Originally Posted by nanaman

Well yeah I know that, but still it feels like there have been too many characters introduced that I can't quite understand why they were added except for fanservice. It just feels unmotivated especially when there's barely any development on most of the characters.

What new fanservice characters are you speaking of? The only thing I can remember of recent was the swimsuit nonsense during the school festival, and the culprits there were all from Season One, Viletta included. And that part was not needed, I'll give you that. The only thing I can think of outside of that is the obligatory body shot of Kallen in every episode, and well, I doubt they'll stop doing that any time soon.

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I know why supposedly Zero is getting his ass kicked, that they're supposed to be much smarter than the average dudes he met early on in season 1. What I'm bothered about is that as a matter of fact there's no special or smart tactics going on even though they're supposed to be great tacticians or whatever, Zero is getting beat up for always doing stupid decisions, letting his emotions get in the way or because his mecha-penis is too small. And it just doesn't make any sense, the "tactics" that were used in ep 10 were real weird and I don't think anyone with in one's right mind would really risk going in like Xing-ke did just because he somehow had a feeling that Zero would do like he did. Also how come the only place in the middle of the battlefield that didn't get flooded was EXACTLY in the middle of Zero's troops and where Xing-ke's troop stood, well, how damn lucky isn't that. There's nothing genius about that, just damn luck. In the end, going after Kallen was meaningless and Zero is starting to get freaked up.

Actually using the land is a valid warfare tactic, and it played out that way because Zero and Xing-ke both think alike, and so Xing planned ahead for Zero's tactics. It's not that hard to believe.

Also there are a number of reasons to go after Kallen. For one, she knows his true identity (Sayako is currently playing as Lelouch back at the academy), he has slight feelings for her true, but you also have to remember his Raison d'etre has changed now that Nunally is the Gov. Gen. of Area 11. He can't say that he's fighting to keep her safe and create the world for her because she more or less is, and is also part of the Brittania he wishes to overthrow. He now fights for the lives of everyone he holds close, this mainly includes everyone back at Ashford, and Kallen is included in this group. His decision to rescue her only further implants his beliefs and show that he's changing.

Originally Posted by nanaman

And it just doesn't make any sense, the "tactics" that were used in ep 10 were real weird and I don't think anyone with in one's right mind would really risk going in like Xing-ke did just because he somehow had a feeling that Zero would do like he did. Also how come the only place in the middle of the battlefield that didn't get flooded was EXACTLY in the middle of Zero's troops and where Xing-ke's troop stood, well, how damn lucky isn't that. There's nothing genius about that, just damn luck.

Oh how about that scene at the beginning of season 1 where Zero manages to cave in an entire city block and wipe out a contingent of knightmares with just a couple well-placed shots?

Or how Lelouch times Sayoko's call to Kallen to happen at the exact moment?

Or how the Britannians just happen to enjoy building structures that are collapsible on a whim?

Or how Mao gets filled with lead and returns the next episode none the worse for wear?

Or how Rollo walks in on Suzaku surprising Lelouch with a phone call to Nunally, and immediately grasps the situation?

Or, hell, iceberg ships?

If you haven't learnt to suspend disbelief by now, you really shouldn't be watching the show.

I think the real problem with this new season is that its pacing has gotten out of hand. Sometimes it just feels like there's too much happening and with no clear sense of direction. Too many new characters have been added and not enough old ones have died, so it seems like they're trying to do a lot with too much.

Case in point: kidnapping Tian just didn't seem as dastardly as it should be. The characters are just way too fresh and both Tian and Xing-Ke haven't had enough characterization for me to give the slightest fuck how they feel. So while Zero strokes his handlebar moustache (in spirit) and Tian cries her little lollicon eyes out I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Nekkid C.C. made episode 11.

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Anya is Marianne's reincarnation, or is very closely related to Marianne (clone lol). This explains why Marianne told her bodyguards to leave her before she was murdered, and why C.C. says "is that how it is?". Apparantly Anya's hairstyle is the same as young Marianne in a pre-production sketch, but I've yet to see the picture in question.

Total shocker: Zero and Xing Ke made an alliance.

The episode that launched 1000 doujins.

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Seriously this shit is just awful. The show is getting way too big for its britches and the writers can't handle geopolitics for shit. The Eunuch Generals are cardboard cutout aristocrats and a national revolt is treated with the significance of a sneeze. Nevermind the godawful scene where everybody stands around funneling exposition from their stupid mouths so Lelouche can learn the power of heart with the help of Shirley's fanservice.

And the Order? What is that shit? A mystery that's gone on for a season and a half and whoopdy fuck it's casual conversation.

I just realized this show is directed by the same guy who worked on Planetes. Even the music staff is the same.

Fanboy mode engaged

Episode 12 is a definite proof that Geass is made for harem game

Spoiler:

Sayoko made LeLouch busy making promise to date all girls within the next 6 month.

A funny episode, I laughed pretty hard in some scenes actually.

There used to be a real gravity to Zero's actions that just doesn't exist anymore. The disparity between Eleven and Britanian lifestyles used to be a constant reminder of the world's dystopia, but I don't think they've even attempted to touch on this theme since the first episode. Everything since then has been all about Zero's crew and the school. It just keeps spiraling into this social drama nonsense while behind-the-scenes machinations are dealt with the most half-hearted exposition I've ever seen. Oh something bad's gonna happen, you know it's gonna be bad because we say so.

I guess they understand their audience, though.

Well the school nonsense is probably going to come to an end very shortly. Milly is gone, Kallen is off FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD, Nina is somewhere being a crazy racist bitch, and

Spoiler:

Shirley dies in the next episode

, so the show SHOULD go back to being about the real fight in very short order.

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If you haven't learnt to suspend disbelief by now, you really shouldn't be watching the show.

For the most part I'm willing to suspend disbelief to enjoy a good show, but lately I've been wondering if this show is even worth watching anymore

Spoiler:

Much like Rolo and Villeta Lelouch manages to convince Gottwald (Orange-kun) to join him after a brief dialogue about Lelouch's mother and how she was actually Gottwald's first charge. Wow really? is Lelouch that good that all he needs to make someone switch sides is to exchange like 4 lines of dialogue? Maybe he should go have a talk with his dad. And for like the past 3 episodes they've built up Gottwald as this character who was going to take vengence on the people who put him in his miserable state. Who knows maybe there is more at work here.

Shirley dies, and really for no reason other than she was at the wrong place at the wrong time and talked to the wrong person, it doesn't feel like the event really moved the plot at all, it seemed like the writers felt they needed to kill someone again and they happened to pull Shirley's name out of the hat this time. Though from the dialogue before she dies it sounds like they may or may not do something with her. But either way the writers are pretty damned.

I've suspended my disbelief for a while now hoping the series would pick itself up soon, but from the previews it looks like they've already magically found the place where V.V is set-up his super secret lair, no doubt characters will randomly die and allegiances will switch.

If you're still saying that even after the latest episode, drop it now. Delete all episodes. Forget it ever existed. It's obvious that you're not even following the plot anymore.