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Old Jun 26, 2007, 05:00 PM Local time: Jun 26, 2007, 02:00 PM #26 (permalink) of 90
I just love the ever living fuck out of options. Never can have enough but uh you know within reasons


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Old Jun 26, 2007, 05:27 PM #27 (permalink) of 90
Your one golden egg is ruining my dozen of perfectly good cooking eggs, Mikey. I demand a refund.


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Old Jun 26, 2007, 05:44 PM Local time: Jun 26, 2007, 02:44 PM #28 (permalink) of 90
But I thought you wanted options.
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Old Jun 26, 2007, 05:53 PM Local time: Jun 26, 2007, 01:53 PM #29 (permalink) of 90
Originally Posted by BlueMikey
And I (and quite a few people when we've had this debate before) hate animated GIFs. I'm not even reading Devo's posts right now, just skipping right past them, it's too insane to have that shit in my field of vision.
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Old Jun 26, 2007, 07:11 PM #30 (permalink) of 90
I think the only valid argument there is that it'd allow for php scripts, or whatever they're called, to have an avatar than randomly changes on reload.
This is basically my whole argument yeah

Although I am also in favor of not having to reduce Strike Man to 16 colors and 4 frames =/
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Old Jun 26, 2007, 07:26 PM #31 (permalink) of 90
But I thought you wanted options.
I never said I wanted a good dozen eggs ruined. We don't waste food, Mikey. Bad!

Pang, I will aid you in uploads of proper Strike Otoko avatars. I'll ally you in this very worthy cause.


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Old Jun 27, 2007, 05:40 PM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 01:40 PM #32 (permalink) of 90
The current av size is 30k,
So why not up it to 75kb? That was a reasonable number just a few posts ago. Or it it not OK because it would be upping the avatar size, OH NO!

As you yourself pointed out a 150x105 bmp with no compression is under 50kb. It's not entirely unreasonable for 150x105 png with alpha and of sufficent complexity to be over 30k. Heck, I've run into the avatar file size a number of times when just trying to upload a regular avatar, not even animooted.

75 sounds like a reasonable number to me.

There are plenty of other things you can do to replace the page download size, if you're worried about that. I'm also interested in how you're calculating those numbers -- remember, web browsers cache images and don't need to fetch the same thumbs up and thumbs down buttons every time they encounter them.
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Old Jun 27, 2007, 07:38 PM #33 (permalink) of 90
But if we just make the avatars remote we don't need to WORRY about their specific size. Begging for an additional few KB is counterproductive.
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Old Jun 27, 2007, 09:51 PM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 06:51 PM #34 (permalink) of 90
That was a reasonable number just a few posts ago.
It actually just happened to be the number a few posts ago. I'm looking for compelling reasons for an increase, not compelling reasons why 75k is good.

There are plenty of other things you can do to replace the page download size, if you're worried about that. I'm also interested in how you're calculating those numbers -- remember, web browsers cache images and don't need to fetch the same thumbs up and thumbs down buttons every time they encounter them.
Yeah, but I'm thinking about new dial-up users who have not yet found the lite-set. It basically turns away those new people if we increase the page load time six-fold when they start out. No one will want to stay no matter what they think of the content.

And, again, if 75k is okay to increase from 30k, is 200k okay to increase from 75k? Why come up with an arbitrary number like 75k? How do you determine what the upper-bound should be?

No one has really posted a compelling reason other than "it's too hard".
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Old Jun 27, 2007, 10:38 PM #35 (permalink) of 90
Stop trying to foil my plans of getting 10 megabyte avatars, mikey.

Also, if dial-up users aren't used to a broadband-filled Internet by now then they never will. Their time is over. They can adapt like any other website they visit.


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Old Jun 27, 2007, 10:50 PM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 07:50 PM #36 (permalink) of 90
I don't mind if they have to adapt for good reasons.

Giant bouncing XBOX avatars isn't good enough.
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Old Jun 27, 2007, 11:23 PM #37 (permalink) of 90


13 kb =/

too wide for avatar so it would have to shrunk or cropped which would take down the filesize even further =/

ur examples r dumb, mikey =/


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Old Jun 27, 2007, 11:30 PM #38 (permalink) of 90
Oh for FUCKSAKE "dial-up users"

Look, I was on dialup for a large part of last year

GFF does not load quickly under the BEST of circumstances on dialup

That ship has SAAAAILED
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Old Jun 28, 2007, 12:15 AM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 08:15 PM #39 (permalink) of 90
Dude pandering to dial-up users is weak as hell. You can't experience shit on the internet these days with dial-up. They're not worth designing anything around.

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Old Jun 28, 2007, 12:17 AM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 09:17 PM #40 (permalink) of 90
You guys just keep thinking about yourselves.


(I also like how when I give one example it is the only conceivable possible reason for not doing what you want.)

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13 kb =/

too wide for avatar so it would have to shrunk or cropped which would take down the filesize even further =/
So, if that's true, why the fuck do you need more?

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Old Jun 28, 2007, 12:32 AM #41 (permalink) of 90
Well uh I guess it's true we're acting in our own self-interest but I'm not sure what your motivation even is

"WE WANT CAKE"

"Dude we can't afford to buy you cake"

"No we brought our own"

"Well, we don't have any plates to put the cake on, so"

"We brought those too!"

"Well, some people don't like cake!"

"What's your point?"

"It's inconsiderate to eat cake near people who dislike it!!"
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Old Jun 28, 2007, 12:36 AM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 09:36 PM #42 (permalink) of 90
Well uh I guess it's true we're acting in our own self-interest but I'm not sure what your motivation even is
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Old Jun 28, 2007, 12:36 AM Local time: Jun 27, 2007, 08:36 PM 2 #43 (permalink) of 90
Hang on, let me flex my altruism a bit and set up a charity for those who can't afford broadband internet connections. Gotta stop being so selfish!

How many people are even on dial-up? If they are, they should be totally disabling images if they really want to load the site at a reasonable speed. As Pang observed, even lite-set isn't really that dial-up friendly.

We should stop writing software that requires anything faster than a 400mhz processor and 128mb because that's all some people have, and we certainly wouldn't want to exclude anyone who refuses to adapt to a changing environment!

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Old Jun 28, 2007, 01:32 AM #44 (permalink) of 90
Interest of others?
Yeah but as I pointed out the "others" whose interests you are attempting to defend are basically screwed regardless of how friendly GFF attempts to be to dialup users. I mean, ok, you can argue the "it's annoying" angle but if we didn't allow avatars on the basis of their being obnoxious and stupid what would happen to Ace Combat Week

Your motives here are altruistic and that's fine but the people you want to help are long past saving. Even AOL's internal websites load like shit on AOL. It can't be helped. If you really want to do those poor souls a favor create an option to view the board in plaintext; it might only take 2 minutes a page to download in that case.
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