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Father held his daughter prisoner for 24 years
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 12:30 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2008, 05:30 PM #1 (permalink) of 47
Father held his daughter prisoner for 24 years

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Austrian Incest Nightmare: Father Confesses to Horrific Crime - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

24 years, wtf...

It's almost unbelievable that nobody noticed anything over two and a half decades. Also, this man looks pretty much horrifying, I wouldn't want to meet him in the park
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 05:29 PM #2 (permalink) of 47
What the hell, that's terrible. Not only did he rape her repeatedly but he kept her from living her life for 24 years. Something like this is hard to even fully comprehend, because it just seems to insane.

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Old Apr 28, 2008, 06:03 PM #3 (permalink) of 47
Let's not forget he also fathered 7 (grand)children with his daughter. Most of which ended up in an incinerator... yup, thats fucked up.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 06:18 PM #4 (permalink) of 47
Let's not forget he also fathered 7 (grand)children with his daughter. Most of which ended up in an incinerator... yup, thats fucked up.
By "most" you meant one right?

I can't believe his wife didn't even know about the cellar. What, for two decades, she never went down there? If she tried, and he told her not to, and that was that, for 24 years? Clearly she'd see it was in use, because he'd be going down there every so often. The other alternative is she just never thought about it.

Either way it's a little strange.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 06:57 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2008, 05:57 PM #5 (permalink) of 47
I think it's pretty strange to that the wife didn't know about it. It said that the door had an electronic code on it so maybe she didn't know the code and didn't question why he was going down there. Although that is kinda strange.

But that's just so horrible! It's extremely bad that he held his daughter prisoner for 24 years and raped her repeatedly. It's even worse that he burned one of the children in the furnace. Even though I don't think there's anything that could be much worse. I just can't understand how someone could do something like that. Having kids with your daughter,killing one of them,holding them hostage in the cellar and no one knew about all that? It's just so weird and so very sick. I wonder who gave the police that tip and how they went about finding it out.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 07:20 PM #6 (permalink) of 47
By "most" you meant one right?
Ya, misread that.

Still... that's pretty messed up.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 08:38 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2008, 04:38 PM #7 (permalink) of 47
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I just can't understand how someone could do something like that.
The mind is a terrible thing to behold, etc.

Extremely disturbing and had done a damn fine job of keeping his wife in the dark regarding the electronic lock due to his masterful fabrication of lies.

I just sincerely hope the daughter and the kids will be alright. Wouldn't be surprised if one goes homicidal but I hope it doesn't happen.

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I wonder who gave the police that tip and how they went about finding it out.
"The case unfolded after a gravely ill teenager was found unconscious on April 19 in the building where her grandparents live, and taken to a hospital in the town of Amstetten, about 120km west of Vienna. Authorities publicly appealed for the mother to come forward to help diagnose the young woman's condition. After receiving a tip, police picked up the 42-year-old woman - identified as Elisabeth - and her father on Saturday close to the hospital."

Austrian man confesses to holding daughter captive – police | Herald Sun

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Old Apr 28, 2008, 09:28 PM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 09:28 AM #8 (permalink) of 47
Man, I wonder if there is something in Austria's water that makes crazy people keep hostages for years, underground
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 10:34 PM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 01:34 PM 2 #9 (permalink) of 47
So, the father and his wife actually brought up some of the grandkids? What the hell must the wife have been smoking? "UhH...anotHer kid jUust camE ouTt of da basEmeNt...*nurture*"

Oh wait...

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Three of the children lived upstairs with Fritzl and his wife, though his wife says she knew nothing about the incest because of an elaborate story Fritzl had spun.
...but still! Come on, wife! Get with the program! As if you're able to follow a story this guy says anyway; I wouldn't be able to 'cause I'd be too transfixed on his pedo eyes. <3
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 10:43 PM Local time: Apr 28, 2008, 06:43 PM #10 (permalink) of 47
My God.

I don't even know that I can find the words to react to something like this. Almost a quarter of a century knowing nothing but rape and imprisonment from her own father. She gave birth to all those kids and her father threw one in the furnace after it died. I mean, I know it's been asked already, but how do you not know something is going on in your own home for 24 years?

That's a terrible quality of life. I guess there are some fates worse than death.

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Old Apr 29, 2008, 12:07 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 12:07 PM #11 (permalink) of 47
Ugh. And ugh again. This is one of those things that brings all of humanity down a notch. I don't know how many "Why" or "How can" questions I could make out of this. I seriously can't believe that for TWENTY-FOUR YEARS his wife didn't know about this. I mean, this isn't something that is not noticable (as I'm sure there are a variety of things such as NOISES that would occur).
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 12:40 AM #12 (permalink) of 47
The room was soundproof, still this is disturubing indeed considering he is living in a civilized moderen culture...
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 01:25 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 12:25 AM #13 (permalink) of 47

"The case unfolded after a gravely ill teenager was found unconscious on April 19 in the building where her grandparents live, and taken to a hospital in the town of Amstetten, about 120km west of Vienna. Authorities publicly appealed for the mother to come forward to help diagnose the young woman's condition. After receiving a tip, police picked up the 42-year-old woman - identified as Elisabeth - and her father on Saturday close to the hospital."

Austrian man confesses to holding daughter captive – police | Herald Sun
Wow! I read all of that and just wow. It tells a bit more about it and what happened. So Im wondering if whoever gave the tip knew about what was going on or if they just recognized the woman from all those years ago. This whole thing is very bizarre. He definitely needs more then 15 years in prison. I hope he's kept locked up in a psychiatric ward.
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 01:45 AM #14 (permalink) of 47
Wait I don't get at all the explanation of how she was discvoered.

So some teen got ill in the building, and went to the hospital.
Then... what happened?

I don't get this section at all "Authorities publicly appealed for the mother to come forward to help diagnose the young woman's condition. After receiving a tip, police picked up the 42-year-old woman - identified as Elisabeth - and her father on Saturday close to the hospital." Can someone rephrase it for me ?
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 01:47 AM Local time: Apr 28, 2008, 09:47 PM 1 #15 (permalink) of 47
24 years, my god. And he managed to keep it a complete secret, even from his wife (in his basement no less)! 24 years of raping his daughter, bearing 7 children, one which got tossed into a furnace and 3 of which got to see their first ray of sunshine the same day the police found them. So much for paternal love.

That poor daughter, locked up for 24 years, how is she supposed to readjust and rejoin society? And as for the father, very rarely has the death penalty looked so insufficient and so impotent as it does now. Nothing short of an eternity of pain and torture would seem sufficient for this case.
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 02:32 AM #16 (permalink) of 47
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And as for the father, very rarely has the death penalty looked so insufficient and so impotent as it does now. Nothing short of an eternity of pain and torture would seem sufficient for this case.
Yes, if only there were some place to send him where he'd feel a similar pain. Where he could be confined to a small area with little to no sunlight and humiliated by others stronger than him. Imprisoned, if you will.

The most disturbing thing about this is the article's mention of another girl recently escaping from the same kind of situation after eight and a half years. Two of these crimes in less than two years is pretty horrible when I've only heard of maybe three others total.

I'm still not clear on how the wife didn't notice this for 24 years either. Assuming he managed to soundproof the cellar enough to block out the screams of childbirth, you'd think the wife would've wanted to see the area so much money and construction work was going into.

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Old Apr 29, 2008, 04:35 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 02:35 AM #17 (permalink) of 47
The article stated that he had an electronic lock installed on the door, and even then the pictures made it look like the door was somewhat, if not entirely hidden, so even if the wife found the door, she couldn't have gotten in. Who knows.

Beyond that, yes the old man should be severely punished for this crime. Any word on whether the incest babies were born with a mental handicap or disability? I mean, don't incest couplings usually end up with deformed babies?


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Old Apr 29, 2008, 08:46 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 03:46 PM #18 (permalink) of 47
The door was hidden by a tool rack, and pretty small so if you didn't know where to look you wouldn't have found it. Even so, either the woman knew about it and is in denial, or she's seriously retarded. Just the fact that she hadn't seen her daughter for 24 years while her husband didn't seem to worry so much should have been a hint to what could have been going on. Belgian newspapers reported today that they suspect there may be other men involved, they are testing the paternity of the children, and they also can't see the guy pulling a stunt like this off alone (he went on holiday for a couple of weeks, so someone had to look after the girl).

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The man "adopted" his incest daughters, and when one of them got sick, they needed a family history to diagnose her. The police searched for the woman, who was presumably missing, until they eventually discovered the cellar.
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 10:38 AM Local time: Apr 29, 2008, 08:38 AM #19 (permalink) of 47
Beyond that, yes the old man should be severely punished for this crime. Any word on whether the incest babies were born with a mental handicap or disability? I mean, don't incest couplings usually end up with deformed babies?
Incest only increases the chance of malformed offspring with the likelihood increasing dramatically generations down. I don't know if any of the kids have disabilities, if none of them did it would surprise me but that's not really important.

This is pretty much the most horrible thing I can conceive of. How do you even live your life after this? How do you go on knowing that you're the product of brutal incestual rape? That your birth mother/sister was being raped regularly beneath your feet by your own father?

If all of these kids hopped into a car and drove off a cliff, I would understand completely.