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Old Jun 19, 2008, 11:51 PM #76 (permalink) of 153
Designer Robin Walker says they experimented with this, but found it wasn't as fun as it sounded. They tried relegating it to an unlockable weapon, but then players got confused about what the air-blast could and couldn't do.
Originally Posted by Tom Francis, ComputerandVideoGames.com
Designer Robin Walker says they experimented with this, but found it wasn't as fun as it sounded. They tried relegating it to an unlockable weapon, but then players got confused about what the air-blast could and couldn't do.
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 12:29 AM Local time: Jun 19, 2008, 09:29 PM #77 (permalink) of 153
OH NOES I COPY PASTA'D SOMETHING GENERIC.

If it was direct from Robin Walker then yeah, but otherwise who the fuck cares?

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Old Jun 20, 2008, 12:34 AM Local time: Jun 19, 2008, 08:34 PM #78 (permalink) of 153
I'm still trying to get the medic achievement where you're healing someone while they get their achievement, but it seems like everyone on my team gets an achievement except for whoever I'm healing.
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 12:44 AM 1 #79 (permalink) of 153
who the fuck cares?
It's plagiarism. In this case it's mostly harmless but as a general rule it's helpful to source the original author so that the phrase may be put in its proper context and — you know what? This is remedial. What kind of faggot are you that you don't understand basic concepts like this?

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Old Jun 20, 2008, 12:52 AM Local time: Jun 19, 2008, 09:52 PM 1 #80 (permalink) of 153
It's plagiarism. In this case it's mostly harmless but as a general rule it's helpful to source the original author so that the phrase may be put in its proper context and — you know what? This is remedial. What kind of faggot are you that you don't understand basic concepts like this?
No shit, sherlock? You've really got the condescending pseudo-intellectual part down, have you been in theater?

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Old Jun 20, 2008, 01:42 AM #81 (permalink) of 153
I finished most of the pyro achievements to unlock all three weapons. Really... if you have backburner... Having Flare gun or Axestinguisher seems somewhat useless because if you are going to melee... might as well stick with the flamethrower and the shotgun is a much better finisher than the flare. If you are hitting from behind... use the backburner and not the axe since you are using the backburner to score godly crits.

I would see a flare/flamethrower/axestinguisher combo for setup.
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 09:05 AM #82 (permalink) of 153
Having Flare gun or Axestinguisher seems somewhat useless because if you are going to melee... might as well stick with the flamethrower and the shotgun is a much better finisher than the flare.
I've seen people use the flare gun effectively since the update.
Hitting snipers, or any other back range support units.


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Old Jun 20, 2008, 09:13 AM #83 (permalink) of 153
Big surprise no one ever invites you when we play TF2.
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 10:38 AM Local time: Jun 20, 2008, 07:38 AM #84 (permalink) of 153
I've seen people use the flare gun effectively since the update.
Hitting snipers, or any other back range support units.
Have you noted if there a little bit of a splash area from the flare gun? Nothing as big as the rocket of course, but something large enough so that it isn't just another version of the sniper gun without the scope. I haven't been able to get snipers with it, although it's still partly b/c no one is playing sniper right now.

Each weapon definitely has its own situation, which all play to different pyro styles. You have Backburner for the sneaky surprise pyro and Axestinguisher for that insane pyro who charges right at you. And I guess the Flare Gun is just a nice little toy apparently (whoever heard of a long range pyro).


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Old Jun 20, 2008, 10:57 AM #85 (permalink) of 153
Have you noted if there a little bit of a splash area from the flare gun? Nothing as big as the rocket of course, but something large enough so that it isn't just another version of the sniper gun without the scope. I haven't been able to get snipers with it, although it's still partly b/c no one is playing sniper right now.

Each weapon definitely has its own situation, which all play to different pyro styles. You have Backburner for the sneaky surprise pyro and Axestinguisher for that insane pyro who charges right at you. And I guess the Flare Gun is just a nice little toy apparently (whoever heard of a long range pyro).
Axestinguisher is quite fun with another pyro, as one burns, and the other just goes on a hacking spree. But i've seen the long range pyros work as they like to use the flare gun just past hills and so on. People recently have become more crafty using the thing (or at least the number of servers i've played on).


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Old Jun 20, 2008, 11:44 AM #86 (permalink) of 153
Have you noted if there a little bit of a splash area from the flare gun? Nothing as big as the rocket of course, but something large enough so that it isn't just another version of the sniper gun without the scope. I haven't been able to get snipers with it, although it's still partly b/c no one is playing sniper right now.

Each weapon definitely has its own situation, which all play to different pyro styles. You have Backburner for the sneaky surprise pyro and Axestinguisher for that insane pyro who charges right at you. And I guess the Flare Gun is just a nice little toy apparently (whoever heard of a long range pyro).
Flaregun is great for annoying snipers. And that's about it. It's really hard to hit moving people, especially ones that don't move in a straight line. I seem to spend most of my time combating other Pyros and the flare gun is poorly matched against the shotgun in situations like those. And it's terrible if you run into a soldier.
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 12:29 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2008, 04:29 PM #87 (permalink) of 153
Only just started playing again myself, got about 3 of the new achievements so far but I've been playing on servers with class number limiters.

One thing I did notice that wasn't mentioned anywhere though was that they changed ctf well, removing the middle building and the underwater tunnels... why? I don't understand the logic behind it, sure the sniper has a waaaaay better shooting range now, but half the fun of well is all the different angles you can attack from, not to mention it makes the water exits nearly pointless, now all the action will be stuck in the middle of the map even more then it was before

methinks I need a new ava/sig =/
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 03:39 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2008, 12:39 PM #88 (permalink) of 153
(PS: I have no idea who "we" is so you might want to enlighten me on that point so that I can be properly resentful. Is this like a royal We kind of situation?)
You know, GFF? The thread where you're posting, and the Steam community group you belong to? Conversations tend to go:

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Although you're already pretty resentful of this place in general, so you don't really need to do anything different. So you can stop pretending to care about plagiarism and go satisfy your emotional need for trolling elsewhere, like the MGS4 thread or the Quiet Place.


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Old Jun 20, 2008, 03:51 PM #89 (permalink) of 153
Oh god, Valve removing all dropoff damage from the pyro's flamethrower is a little much =/
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Old Jun 20, 2008, 04:59 PM Local time: Jun 20, 2008, 03:59 PM 3 #90 (permalink) of 153
Will both of you shut the hell up, fuck? Christ, who cares if he plagarized it or not and who cares if Pang is a douchebag. Move the fuck on ladies.

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Old Jun 23, 2008, 12:47 AM Local time: Jun 22, 2008, 08:47 PM #91 (permalink) of 153
Ok, backburner is officially one of the most annoying weapons in the game. It's got the same problem as facestabs from the spy (I ran into a pyro in a narrow corridor as an engi, and was shooting him with a shotgun as he proceeds to crit me dead in half a second), but it's ridiculous when you've got a pyro paired up with a medic. You always want to kill the medic first, since otherwise the pyro won't die, but since you're chasing the medic, the pyro can rape you from behind. Also, the +50 health is obnoxious, since it gives them a massive advantage over any other pyro that doesn't have the backburner.

Flare gun seems pretty useless too, but I guess that's pretty similar to how the pyro's rockets were in TFC anyway.
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Old Jun 23, 2008, 08:39 AM #92 (permalink) of 153
Ok, backburner is officially one of the most annoying weapons in the game. It's got the same problem as facestabs from the spy (I ran into a pyro in a narrow corridor as an engi, and was shooting him with a shotgun as he proceeds to crit me dead in half a second), but it's ridiculous when you've got a pyro paired up with a medic. You always want to kill the medic first, since otherwise the pyro won't die, but since you're chasing the medic, the pyro can rape you from behind. Also, the +50 health is obnoxious, since it gives them a massive advantage over any other pyro that doesn't have the backburner.

Flare gun seems pretty useless too, but I guess that's pretty similar to how the pyro's rockets were in TFC anyway.
The drawback to those pyros though is that if you're long range like a soldier or demoman, they can't reflect those back at you. So if you play it safe long range against that combo, you should be ok.


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Old Jun 23, 2008, 09:38 AM Local time: Jun 23, 2008, 09:38 AM #93 (permalink) of 153
the backburner is great, but yeah I think they really need to tweak whatever detection you have when you are "actually" behind someone and I think they overdid it with the 50 health, now it's the same as a soldier wich along a medic, it's a lot. On another note, the new axe couldn't be more useless if I got a weapon(right now) that 100% crits most of the time why would I switch to another that's weaker... also on top of having 100% crit from behind the backburner still has normal crits from the front so yeah it can also crit normally like the other flamethrower.