[PC] World of Warcraft

Ever seen the human faces up close? Those ain't too pretty either =(

I can attest that the human female pirate face from noggenfogger and deviate delight is most certainly fugly.

Meanwhile, undead women are relatively hot, in comparison to the other Horde races.

Originally Posted by Talbain

Rolling Alliance just because Horde doesn't look pretty is typical of players that don't realize what they're getting into.

Give Horde a chance. All of my experiences with a Horde character have been far above and beyond anything I've done on Alliance.

But... they're so ugly. I want someting pretty.
Are you able to fix them up a little?
I want Luscious Hair, I can't stand an ugly character. Would you look at The Matrix If Keanu reeves was Substituted with Mr. Bean.
My mom delayed the purchase again. When I do get it, I will try Everything.

You're able to customize your character to a certain extent when you create it; the options depend on your selected race. Night Elves, for example, can have several different skin tones (so no, they don't all have to be purple), while Trolls can select different tusk styles. You'll never be able to make a "unique"-looking character, since there're so many players, but you have a decent range of appearances to mix and match.

Play around with the different settings when you're creating characters. If you're concerned about playing an ugly character, most Horde race/gender combinations have at least a couple "pretty" faces you can choose from - Troll females leap to mind.

Originally Posted by Rayne

What are you talking about? Please remember that I don't have the game yet.
I will be getting it soon.

Basically, hunters have these moves that place a trap on the ground. When you walk over them, something happens, either a damage-over-time (DOT) is applied to the person, or he's slowed, or he's frozen and unable to act. When 1.10 came out (the newest patch), the development team decided to hide traps using the same mechanic that Rogues used, whereas before they used a different mechanic. In the process of doing this, they tweaked the mechanics, and by doing so effectively ruined any viability that stealth once had. However, 1.11 is coming out soon, and it's HOPED (I'm not sure if it will happen) that one of the changes they will make is buffing the stealth mechanic.

Besides, even IF it is fixed, stealth is hardly good. An AMAZING amount of things break it. Warrior shouts, mages' AoE, human's racial ability (every race has a race-specific ability; the human racial increases stealth detection for a few seconds), a Shaman's Chain Lightning (fixed in 1.11), a Hunter's Multi-Shot (also fixed in 1.11), a Hunter's Flare ability, a Druid's Hurricane move... to make a long story short, EVERY class has some way to bring you out of stealth, and if they do, then you've basically lost.

And I lost my big ass post in reply.

Shammies = PVP
Pallies = PVE(And some PVP)

Just because loladins have something doesn't mean you get it. I don't know how to make macros so I don't bother with it. It used to target them, and it might say in the manuel about whatever but guess what? Rogues are suppose to be escape artists and those who use things to get ahead in battle and win but I don't see that happening a lot since everyone has a counter for it.

I don't see druids getting fucked by going restro. I've seen plenty of druids go feral or even balanced and still raid. That moonkin form is actually quite useful.

Second, if you want to go by the book, it said that totems are only suppose to buff thier parties.

Third, I bet if they did give you what you want. Then there would be less demand for shammies cause they don't need as many as you. Then we'd be at square one cause I bet there are a lot of loladins who get screwed out of a raid cause of less demand for them.

Fourth, just becuase a loladin has somehting, doens't mean you get it.

Horde and Allaince are TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING THINGS.

Horde is suppose to be different from alliance and visa versa.

Shammies are different from loladins.

Sorry, the day that shammies become so similiar to pallies is the day I die.

Anther thing, I don't know what else I'm going to say cause I'm tired and I lost my post cause some reason I wasn't logged in but I was cause that's the first thing I do.

Shammies aren't suppose to be like loladins.

Alliance and Horde are suppose to be different.

Shammies don't always get fucked like you do.
Blah blah blah blah.

I'm sure every class gets pigoned into some 'forced' spec. Priests are always forced to go holy/desc.

Most locks are afflication due to PVE demands.

Rogues are suppose to go daggers but I don't.


Oh and it is hard for me to understand just as hard as it for you to understand my point of view. /sarcasm.

Oh and anther thing, not every class is suppose to be great at everything. That includes PVEing or PVPing.

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Oh and you cry like a mage does.

OMG WE LACK THIS AND THIS AND THIS.

HELLO, mages are SUPPORT. MOTHER FUCKING SUPPORT. They aren't suppose to be monster DPS. They are support and talent dependant. What they are good at dealing damage depends on their talent. I feel no pity for mages AT ALL.

Nor are you suppose to be doing monster damage like a mage.

You are a mage warrior as a I see it. You deal monster damage every what 5 secs if you spec right and melee the target.

Originally Posted by Zio

Rogues are suppose to go daggers but I don't.

Haha, what? Sword or fist spec rogues can do crazy damage in both pvp and pve settings. Rogues have quite some versatility as far as specs go, and daggers (unless you go combat daggers) aren't the best for dps in raid instances because of the unreliable burst damage.

Originally Posted by Talbain

Rolling Alliance just because Horde doesn't look pretty is typical of players that don't realize what they're getting into.

Give Horde a chance. All of my experiences with a Horde character have been far above and beyond anything I've done on Alliance.

This man wins the prize.

Back in the day on our server the Alliance side would pretty much shut down around 9 PM or so. This was only during the school year. I lol'd.


@Zio: Try learning about the subject before making a giant, rambling post.

Originally Posted by Talbain

Rolling Alliance just because Horde doesn't look pretty is typical of players that don't realize what they're getting into.

Give Horde a chance. All of my experiences with a Horde character have been far above and beyond anything I've done on Alliance.

Eh I went Alliance because that's what I always liked back in old school Warcraft II. Plus, back then all my friends were always "HORDE RULEZ!" so I wanted to go against the flow....at least back then.

It took me awhile, but I finally gained an appreciation for some of the horde's areas (The Barrens, Stonetalon Mountain, etc), but I will add, that it took me much longer to gain that appreciation than it took for most of the alliance's areas where I felt immediatly immersed. I remember how it felt like I was in the middle of nowhere when I started in Durotar for the first time, which I guess is somewhat accurate, but at the same time lacked a good immersive feeling that a place like Elwynn Forest brought.

I agree with the notion that Blizzard has introduced the Alliance a bit better, and play the Horde as underdogs in the whole ordeal. I don't like the starting areas (aside from the brilliant Tirisfal Glades and Silverpine Forest), but the play style just plain differs. What other game has you set up to be the bad guy?

Sure, you can have your standard out-of-the-box adventure as a human or "good" race like any other game, but the Horde gives you a different experience. Yes, they're ugly. Yes, the Barrens isn't so great. However, past the starting areas you're in for a treat as the adventuring becomes far less standardized than what the Alliance offers.

Six: I had a better post and I already know about the subject on had. Don't give the lrn2play or any other bullshit.

Jessy: I was talking more of PVP and I've been told by some guilds to be FORCED to go daggers to raid and I told them to fuck off. In PVP, any rogue even the dumbass ones can two hit someone even people who are geared out.

Originally Posted by Zio

Shammies = PVP
Pallies = PVE(And some PVP)

You just lost what little respect I had. If you HONESTLY think that shammies are for PVP and pallies are for PVE, then you are a complete fucktard. Seriously, a well-played pally is a) nearly impossible to kill, and b) can provide enough damage to take down most other classes. A paladin flag carrier in WSG is essentially GG, because there's almost no way a good pally can die if he has an iota of support. And then let's go into shammies. In PVP, we CAN frontload a bunch of damage, but... that's about it. We have no crowd control (the only class without ANY whatsoever), we have less survivability than warriors or pallies (but more than mages), and we have no lasting power (which is thankfully a non-issue in PVP, as fights rarely last over 30 seconds).

The only thing that makes us good in PVP is our good frontloading ability. If we didn't have that, we would be gimp in EVERYTHING.

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Just because loladins have something doesn't mean you get it.

Who said I wanted Greater Blessings? I wanted something DIFFERENT from blessings, yet as EFFECTIVE, because pallies and shammies are FACTION-SPECIFIC. AN IMBALANCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CLASSES IN RAIDING IS AN IMBALANCE IN THE TWO FACTIONS IN RAIDING.

How many times do I have to say this?

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I don't know how to make macros so I don't bother with it. It used to target them, and it might say in the manuel about whatever but guess what? Rogues are suppose to be escape artists and those who use things to get ahead in battle and win but I don't see that happening a lot since everyone has a counter for it.

You can EASILY make a macro, or if you're too lazy, copy/paste somebody else's. Please don't use your laziness as an excuse for it.

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I don't see druids getting fucked by going restro. I've seen plenty of druids go feral or even balanced and still raid. That moonkin form is actually quite useful.

Yet shammies ARE fucked by going resto, AND are forced to go Resto, because elemental and enhancement SUCK ASS for raiding. The ONLY similarity between druids and shammies as a class is our 31 point talent in Resto, which does almost the EXACT SAME THING, with the difference being that OURS affects multiple people (both good and bad; how useful is MTT in a party where one guy, usually the shammy, is OOM, yet the other is at nearly full mana, compared to a party with a bunch of OOM members?) and doesn't scale (VERY bad; how useful is MTT to somebody with a 10k mana pool?)

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Second, if you want to go by the book, it said that totems are only suppose to buff thier parties.

And the raid isn't your party? =\

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Third, I bet if they did give you what you want. Then there would be less demand for shammies cause they don't need as many as you. Then we'd be at square one cause I bet there are a lot of loladins who get screwed out of a raid cause of less demand for them.

Oh. My. Fucking. GOD.

Please don't tell me you just fucking paraphrased TSERIC.

There is one GIGANTIC, GAPING HOLE in your logic: PEOPLE DON'T WANT SHAMMIES ANYWAY. There are multiple guilds that are shaving the amount of shammies in raids and instead taking a rogue/fury warrior for DPS, or a priest/druid for healing, and being a more effective raid because of it. Right now, you simply don't need a shaman for ANY encounter in the game, period, except MAYBE Viscidus, who drops utter shit for loot. Yet with every other class, there is at least one situation where they are needed. Giving a shaman the option of ONE raid-wide totem from a selection of several would not only make them viable, but at LEAST maintain the status quo of shammies taken along (2-3 in most raids, IIRC) and possibly even INCREASE the amount.

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Fourth, just becuase a loladin has somehting, doens't mean you get it.

We don't want pally skills, we want pally EFFECTIVENESS.

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Horde and Allaince are TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING THINGS.

Horde is suppose to be different from alliance and visa versa.

Shammies are different from loladins.

So... by this logic, we should just give up on class balance because, hey, the classes are different!

Give me a fucking break.

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I'm sure every class gets pigoned into some 'forced' spec. Priests are always forced to go holy/desc.

Yet there ARE options. Some druids are allowed to go Feral. Some priests are allowed to go shadow. Some warriors are allowed to go Fury. Yet NO shammies are allowed to go elemental or enhancement, except for the occasional one specced into imp GOA (our second 31-point Enhancement talent), and THAT is getting combined with imp SOE next patch... so now you'll see EVERY shaman being forced to spec Resto, and JUST RESTO. Yet with other classes, they have different options. How can you NOT SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS?

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Oh and it is hard for me to understand just as hard as it for you to understand my point of view. /sarcasm.

I don't understand your point of view because it ignores all logic, has absolutely no common sense to it, and throws class AND faction balance out the window.

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Oh and anther thing, not every class is suppose to be great at everything. That includes PVEing or PVPing.

So... why is it then that we even HAVE PVP, if there are classes that cannot PVP well? Or why do we have PVE, if there are classes that cannot PVE well?

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HELLO, mages are SUPPORT. MOTHER FUCKING SUPPORT. They aren't suppose to be monster DPS. They are support and talent dependant. What they are good at dealing damage depends on their talent. I feel no pity for mages AT ALL.

What the FUCK? Mages are SUPPORT?

You are now officially a complete fucking moron. What does your raid do with mages, have them vend bread/water for the raid, then kick all but two out for decursing? =\

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Nor are you suppose to be doing monster damage like a mage.

Congratulations on contradicting yourself, and within the space of 5 sentences, too!

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You are a mage warrior as a I see it. You deal monster damage every what 5 secs if you spec right and melee the target.

Only problem is that if we DO that "monster damage," we either get aggro, die, and possibly cause a wipe, or... we run out of mana and are completely worthless. Oh, and aren't we supposed to not be doing that monster damage?

Christ, stop trolling already. That's honestly the only thing I can think of to explain this shit you're spewing. In that last paragraph, you contradicted yourself THREE times in eight sentences. I honestly can't believe that somebody can be so ignorant of basic game design principles like class balance, which leaves you doing this bullshit on purpose. AKA trolling. =\

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Note to self: Trying to 4-man BRD with a 50 shammy (me), a 54 rogue, a 60 hunter, and a shield-less 54 warrior (good friend of mine trying to save up to respec Prot) is NOT a good idea.

Once again I lost my post due to some how being logged out.

Griffin you can say what you will but I have a different opinion based on what I've seen and what my shammy friends are telling me.

Second, no one recruits shadow priests or feral druids. Sorry.

Third, you started trolling me so I trolled back. Stop crying.

I'll agree that we disagree with each other.

All I know is you seemed that you are getting gimped and etc. Most shammies don't and I don't see any cut backs, or anything within my guild. We take a healthy ammount of shammies along. Maybe manatide needs to be able to rank up to restore more mana. And they aren't gimped into resto tree either since they can cause enough DPS and not drag out aggro.

Oh and you need shammies/hunters to train in Razorgore battle. You forgot that one.

I still see nothing wrong cause to me, if totems could buff the whole raid, that seems like greater blessing to me.


EDIT: By mages being support, I mean they are support DPS too, you are the fucktard who read it wrong. They are a support DPS class. They aren't suppose to take hits but do good DPS.

EDIT AGAIN: I don't know who tesric is so don't compare me to him.

Macros might be easy for you to figure out but to me I got /shrugs when I try to make them and I never bothered to look upon the macro section to even bother with it. I just use my next target ability from the key and target them seperately now.

Things change. Did you know rogues were the primary melee damage dealers? Try putting an epic fury warrior in there against an epic rogue and see who comes out on top.

Mages were once listed as primary ranged damage dealers also. Not quite the same anymore. Seems to have usurped by hunters if you ask me. Tanks were listed as being for "People who would rather TAKE damage". Blizzard is pretty much going to make everybody a dps class and just let everybody sort it out in the end. Seems like the current trend if you ask me, and it will destroy the game.

Originally Posted by Jessykins &lt

Things change. Did you know rogues were the primary melee damage dealers? Try putting an epic fury warrior in there against an epic rogue and see who comes out on top.

Mages were once listed as primary ranged damage dealers also. Not quite the same anymore. Seems to have usurped by hunters if you ask me. Tanks were listed as being for "People who would rather TAKE damage". Blizzard is pretty much going to make everybody a dps class and just let everybody sort it out in the end. Seems like the current trend if you ask me, and it will destroy the game.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is going to start forcing warriors to be protection. Much like the new Druid set (Dreamwalker or whatever it is called) have all healing bonuses. Druids are being forced into healing.

It really is starting to irritate me how some of the crap in this game is starting to go. Even the new Argent Dawn rewards are ass. OOOH an 18 slot bag. AAAAH a choice of some epic shit that doesn't really have anything for a warrior. 3 new blacksmithing plans for frost-based armor.. oh wait, I need to go into Naxx to get them. ._.