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Griffin sorry to say but I think we can declare elemental dps on the part of a shaman dead. Closest you'll get is to put totems down in our mage dps overlords parties.

And yes mages will become the new dps kings with the best damage and least punishment for doing so with 3 agro reset abilities. Even lead dev said so. Welcome to World of Magecraft I guess.

Warhammer is actually starting to look good after looking on TBC as rogue/warrior. >_>

I like the new combat rogue stuff, it's great. I think it's a great addition.

And I dont' know Kensaki, the Warlocks now have a aggro reduction too even though IMO, I don't see how you need to have aggro reduction/resets when if you DPS right you never pull aggro. The only time I can see you doing it is if it's Ony phase 3 cause she tends to randomly hit a person or two with the most aggro but hitting the MT. And those people are usually the rogues that chase her and the hunters.

I don't know if anyone remembers me but I was that noob that used to ask all those questions, Just wantted ya'll to know that my mom made me quit WoW cause I wasn't doing good in school. But my Birthday is coming up and I'mma try to see if she'll let me back on. I'm gonna start from scratch.

Originally Posted by Rayne

I don't know if anyone remembers me but I was that noob that used to ask all those questions, Just wantted ya'll to know that my mom made me quit WoW cause I wasn't doing good in school. But my Birthday is coming up and I'mma try to see if she'll let me back on. I'm gonna start from scratch.

Thats probably a sign that you shouldnt go back.
Atleast until you can make up for your lack in marks with super epic gears.

Originally Posted by Zio

I mean it won't proc/take all the charges....

I still don't see how you can do anything besides AFK in Orgrimmar and not blow Earth Shield in under 60-90 seconds, especially if you're facing a fast-hitting mob.

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Hmmm, it seems in AQ/ZG 20 we always have 4 hunters and 4 shammies not only for healing but totems + Nature resist.

That's in AQ20/ZG. We're talking about 25-man instances, which according to Blizzard, will be about as hard or harder than Naxxramas.

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I said it cause you could easily if they didn't throw that last part, buff everyone with earth shield and heal very well especially say like rogues.

Read the damn spell description before you mouth off on something you know nothing about.

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And I say again, you think it's major and the shammy is weak. I have yet to see it at all. Shammies do very well both PVE and PVP.

You're talking live, and you're only correct about PVP. I'm talking expansion, where shammies are hovering just above the "Free HK" mark, Elemental is worthless for both PVP and PVE, Enhancement is okay for PVE and terrible for PVP unless you're geared out the nose (ESPECIALLY if you're dual wield), and Resto is once more the best spec for PVE, and PVP too.

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Originally Posted by Kensaki

Griffin sorry to say but I think we can declare elemental dps on the part of a shaman dead. Closest you'll get is to put totems down in our mage dps overlords parties.

And yes mages will become the new dps kings with the best damage and least punishment for doing so with 3 agro reset abilities. Even lead dev said so. Welcome to World of Magecraft I guess.

Which is what pisses me off more than anything else. We're supposed to be a DPS/healing hybrid according to Blizzard, yet Elemental, even with excellent gear, doesn't even approach half a DPS class's damage, while providing no additional benefits outside of 3% crit/hit that doesn't require a DPS'ing shaman.

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Warhammer is actually starting to look good after looking on TBC as rogue/warrior. >_>

Why do you think I'm rerolling a blood elf rogue and working on my troll warrior more? =\

So like, I reactiveated my account today. Turn on the game, see if anything left my mail boxes, etc. Close down to find the blizzard downloader pop up. Cool enough, until I saw the size of the fucking patch. 486 MB. WTF?! PATCH IS LIEK HUEG.

It *is* including pretty much everything that changes mechanics in TBC, after all.

And with that, it's time for me to respec Enhancement or Restoration. Good bye, Elemental. 'Twas fun while it lasted.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

I still don't see how you can do anything besides AFK in Orgrimmar and not blow Earth Shield in under 60-90 seconds, especially if you're facing a fast-hitting mob.

Unless your unlucky and it doesn't proc. ._.;

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That's in AQ20/ZG. We're talking about 25-man instances, which according to Blizzard, will be about as hard or harder than Naxxramas.

And? I'm sure a few shammies will always help regardless. IMO.

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Read the damn spell description before you mouth off on something you know nothing about.

I DID read the god damn spell, and I know what it says. Why don't you read and think before you mouth off about what you think I know. I said what I said cause if a few shammies could buff the whole raid with that shield. It'd make things a whole lot easier. Such as putting it on the MT and perhaps others classes that don't get heals or aren't suppose to cause they aren't as important. Thus helping them live longer. (Such as, if you put the earth sheild on rogues so when they get hit by AOE or whatever they have a good chance to heal themselves and as well tehy could bandage.)

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You're talking live, and you're only correct about PVP. I'm talking expansion, where shammies are hovering just above the "Free HK" mark, Elemental is worthless for both PVP and PVE, Enhancement is okay for PVE and terrible for PVP unless you're geared out the nose (ESPECIALLY if you're dual wield), and Resto is once more the best spec for PVE, and PVP too.

/cry /wrists I see your point but either way I see nothing wrong since most shammies and those who have played the close beta have nothing wrong with anything. Even with Elemental/enhancement/resto. Whatever spec it maybe. People I've known from guilds and etc love BC shammy.

And with that said, I'm done about the subject.

Originally Posted by Zio

Unless your unlucky and it doesn't proc. ._.;

It's a guaranteed proc that has a cooldown of several seconds. Not a chance to proc.

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I DID read the god damn spell, and I know what it says. Why don't you read and think before you mouth off about what you think I know. I said what I said cause if a few shammies could buff the whole raid with that shield. It'd make things a whole lot easier. Such as putting it on the MT and perhaps others classes that don't get heals or aren't suppose to cause they aren't as important. Thus helping them live longer. (Such as, if you put the earth sheild on rogues so when they get hit by AOE or whatever they have a good chance to heal themselves and as well tehy could bandage.)

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Earth Shield - Rank 1
Requires Level 50
600 Mana40 yd range
Instant cast
Protects the target with an earthen shield, giving a 30% chance of ignoring spell interruption when damaged and causing melee attacks to heal the shielded target for 150. This effect can only occur once every few seconds. 10 charges. Lasts 10 min. This shield can only be placed on one target at a time.

Trainable Ranks Listed Below:
Rank 2: 745 Mana, Heals for 205
Rank 3: 900 Mana, Heals for 270

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This shield can only be placed on one target at a time.

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/cry /wrists I see your point but either way I see nothing wrong since most shammies and those who have played the close beta have nothing wrong with anything. Even with Elemental/enhancement/resto. Whatever spec it maybe. People I've known from guilds and etc love BC shammy.

Nothing wrong with Elemental in both PVP and PVE and Enhancement in PVP?

Suuuure. Keep thinking that.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

It's a guaranteed proc that has a cooldown of several seconds. Not a chance to proc.

Hmmm, that 30% must have threw me off, sorry.

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Nothing wrong with Elemental in both PVP and PVE and Enhancement in PVP?

Suuuure. Keep thinking that.

Most people love the new enchancement and what it will bring for PVP and PVE.

I know elemental sucks for PVE. The only reason that is, is what you have for spells. The one nature bolt or whatever. And the shocks. That's why elemental sucks for PVE. That's all I know.

Originally Posted by Zio

I like the new combat rogue stuff, it's great. I think it's a great addition.

And I dont' know Kensaki, the Warlocks now have a aggro reduction too even though IMO, I don't see how you need to have aggro reduction/resets when if you DPS right you never pull aggro. The only time I can see you doing it is if it's Ony phase 3 cause she tends to randomly hit a person or two with the most aggro but hitting the MT. And those people are usually the rogues that chase her and the hunters.

Don't look at me. The lead developer said mages would be the top dps class for TBC rogues and warriors are being left in the dust by the two magic dps classes. One can wonder what they are thinking when they give the class with the least penalty on DPS(no cleave or nothing hitting you at max range and three agro resets with the right spec).

Originally Posted by Zio

Hmmm, that 30% must have threw me off, sorry.

That 30% is the addition to spell interruption, not the chance to proc. With this and Healing Focus, you have 100% anti-spell interruption. It's one of the main reasons why Earth Shield is so good.

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Most people love the new enchancement and what it will bring for PVP and PVE.

For PVE? Yes. For PVP? It brings nothing new at all except a cheaper Stormstrike with a shorter cooldown, which is hardly enough to counteract things like Ice Lance or the myriad of other new tools which are introduced in the expansion, while shammies run around with a dispellable Bloodlust and two totems on 20-minute cooldowns which do almost nothing to help the shaman, as well as a mana regen spell that requires to to either eat cleaves or tank the mob (loooool) and ANOTHER air totem that increases damage.

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I know elemental sucks for PVE. The only reason that is, is what you have for spells. The one nature bolt or whatever. And the shocks. That's why elemental sucks for PVE. That's all I know.

The MAIN reason Elemental sucks for PVE is a combination of no longevity like Restoration and now Enhancement has (40 MP5 in decked out gear doesn't cut it, people), and no REASON to be casting those nukes at all, be it a spell damage increase in the party, mana regen, etc. Other issues are a lack of the Nature equivalent of Curse of Elements/Shadows, which itself gives us a handicap of over 10% damage (and that's BEFORE taking into account the spell penetration), and reliance on a single school of magic for dealing damage, which is bad news if there's a nature-resistant (or nature-IMMUNE) mob.

That's cause in reality, nature doesn't do much harmful, which means no curses for joo. That's what you get for being a shaman.

...NOT that argument again.

We're talking about a game where gigantic anthropomorphic cows turn into oversized kittens, the living dead can turn a troll into a sheep before using mystical and arcane forces to decimate it, immortal elves can summon down the wrath of their moon goddess upon their enemies (lol starshards), and dwarves can fire a bolt-action rifle at speeds that would rival a sub-machine gun.

Realism ain't got no place in this game.

Besides, doesn't a little thing called "balance" usually take place over realism? =\

Speaking of sub machine guns, what's the name of that gun that has like, under 1.70 speed? I want it.

Originally Posted by The_Griffin

...NOT that argument again.

We're talking about a game where gigantic anthropomorphic cows turn into oversized kittens, the living dead can turn a troll into a sheep before using mystical and arcane forces to decimate it, immortal elves can summon down the wrath of their moon goddess upon their enemies (lol starshards), and dwarves can fire a bolt-action rifle at speeds that would rival a sub-machine gun.

Realism ain't got no place in this game.

Besides, doesn't a little thing called "balance" usually take place over realism? =\

Yes this is true but shamans aren't ones who 'curse' thier enemies. They use nature and the spirits to GUIDE THEM.

I wasn't going for an arguement like that cause nature can do tons of damage such as hurricanes and many other things. Even though druid/shammy is kinda the same class save for druids are more with nature and shamans are more with spirits.

What I usually do when I feel a class is no longer to my liking is rerol