Bigger travesty: Slavery vs. Holocaust

Discuss.

I think this is an interesting issue, since slavery happened in the US over a long period of time, whereas the Holocaust was short-lived and overseas. Yet, there are several Holocaust museums but no Slavery museums. Blacks are told to "get over" slavery often, but the same isn't the case with the Holocaust.

I'm black and think the Holocaust was far worse. Still, I feel there can be some debate about it, and about the ways the two events are viewed by mainstream America.

There are actually a lot of slavery museums if you count Civil Rights museums.

By a strict measure of sheer bodycount, the worldwide history of slavery wipes the floor with anything else you might care to name.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

By a strict measure of sheer bodycount, the worldwide history of slavery wipes the floor with anything else you might care to name.

Religion?

Alright, Arainach. How many people have been killed by religion?

Well, there were the Crusades. And the centuries of being subjected to unending, unchallenged dictatorial rule by the Church.

But then, isn't this question a little... facetious? How do we base these acts - off of "sheer body count"?

I'd say religion, in terms of time, has created a lot of hardship for people. I'm hesitant to say that it should be regarded as evil as slavery or the Holocaust, however. If we say one is worse, the other can be thrown up there, as well.

Is this just because we need a few slavery museums, Sinspawn?

Originally Posted by Arainach

Religion?

Religion is an idea, it is not an event in itself. It has no bodycount per se.

Also, loving your sheer pettiness here. "Dudes, enslaving your fellow man is pretty bad and has been going on forever " "STILL NOT AS BAD AS JESUS THOUGH!!!!!"

Originally Posted by Arainach

Religion?

War.

Disease.

Poverty.

Being an insufferable prick.

terrorism!

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Alright, Arainach. How many people have been killed by religion?

All those people killed by God's floods, locusts, and...um...extra oil for their lanterns.

You could be a romantic and say God, because he kills people everyday.

IT'S GOD'S WILL THAT PEOPLE DIE =( What a prick...

Well, isn't it?

Or are these people dying even though God doesn't want them to?

I mean, either God wants us to die or there wouldn't be cancer.

Just devil-advocating, here.

Originally Posted by RacinReaver

All those people killed by God's floods, locusts, and...um...extra oil for their lanterns.

Touché, RR. Touché.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Religion is an idea, it is not an event in itself. It has no bodycount per se.

Also, loving your sheer pettiness here. "Dudes, enslaving your fellow man is pretty bad and has been going on forever " "STILL NOT AS BAD AS JESUS THOUGH!!!!!"

Fine, Christianity. Between the Inquisition, the Crusades, the various Witch Trials, the colonization and forceful conversion of North and South America, they're doing rather well on that count. If you REALLY want to be specific, you could make note of things like the fact that the Vatican objected to Hitler's euthanasia policies but not the holocaust and that one of the main justifications of the holocaust in Germany was Christian superiority and attribute the holocaust there too.

Originally Posted by Arainach

...the various Witch Trials

Man, there weren't that many people killed in witch trials.

I mean, if you're trying to make a point about numbers killed by Christianity, citing the witch trials is like citing spilled milk. I don't even know if "Christianity" cuts it, as it's a rather BROAD, VAGUE thing.

I'm going to go with the black plague myself. Shit WIPED PEOPLE OUT. (75 million, was it?)

I don't know that you can really attribute the black plague to deliberate human intent, sir.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

I don't know that you can really attribute the black plague to deliberate human intent, sir.

Welllllll, I mean, we all know it's not true, but at the tiiiiime, The Vatican said it was all the Jews' fault. Those dirty Jews.

But I was talking about sheer numbers dead. And I mean, yea, you can argue that people were unclean, therefore bringing it upon themselves, but thats a fucking stretch, so.

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If you REALLY want to be specific, you could make note of things like the fact that the Vatican objected to Hitler's euthanasia policies but not the holocaust and that one of the main justifications of the holocaust in Germany was Christian superiority and attribute the holocaust there too.

That's not actually religion killing people, so much as religion turning a blind eye to the killing of people.

The World Wars weren't started by religion, the Cold War and all of its proxy wars weren't started by religion, Roman conquest and Barbarian resistance was not started by religion, Communism wasn't a product of religion, Fascism wasn't a product of religion, nor was the slave trade.

Attila the Hun did not ransack Europe because of religion. Ghenghis Khan did not slaughter half of the Khwarezmid Empire because of religion.

The list goes on and on and on and on and on. Cruelties upon cruelties, all of which involving behaviors which predate religion, but that is of no concern to people like you who are so zealous in the destruction of religion that you would paint it as the worst thing to ever befall humanity with lies and half-truths, when it has only begun to hold us back.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Welllllll, I mean, we all know it's not true, but at the tiiiiime, The Vatican said it was all the Jews' fault. Those dirty Jews.

Maybe the Jews snuck said diseased rats on to the trade vessels, leading to the eventual spread of the plague?

Evil money-counters.