An intolerant people named Québec

And now from an anglo

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I'm a strong supporter to keep our country whole - but if they want to have another refferendum, and decide that they want to be own thier own, then they can leave - and leave all of the federal support with it.

Canada is a great place to live, and be a part of - I don't think that the seperatists realize how good they've got it.

First off, referendums are held for a mandate to negotiate seperation, not seperate entirely.

Secondly, the Clatiry Act will prevent Quebec from seperating anytime soon.

Thirdly, the Government of Canada has an obligation to keep watch on Quebec to protect minorities. Wuebec has an awful record of mistreating Anglos and Allos, misspending money that could have been useful on the "language police", and so on.

Anglos have been in Quebec for three centuries, and we're not leaving. One day, the anglophones of Quebec will once again have their total freedom of expression!

Originally Posted by loyalist

Anglos have been in Quebec for three centuries, and we're not leaving. One day, the anglophones of Quebec will once again have their total freedom of expression!

We just won't be getting accepted in any Quebec universities other than Concordia and McGill any time soon.

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

We just won't be getting accepted in any Quebec universities other than Concordia and McGill any time soon.

Well, at least it's not like McGill and Concordia are bad universities.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

The thing you have to understand about Québec is that the people here are basically rednecks. The French, anyway.

Montréal is relatively civilized.

Whaaa?

Des 'rednecks'? Bâtard, c'est intolérant et imbécile rare ton opinion? T'as une idée c'est quoi un 'Redneck'?

C'est pas parce que tu croises deux mongoles qui parlent français que tu dois catégoriser le peuple entier.

TRANSLATION: Rednecks? Damn, that is one intolerant and idiotic opinion. Do you have any idea what a Redneck is? It's not because you stumbled upon two assholes who spoke French that you must categorize everyone of us!

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Stuff en francais.

I'm sorry, but this is an English-language board, so please keep all forum discussion in English.

Feel free to exchange PMs in French if you like, though.

Sure, I'll remember that next time, but why delete it?

Sorry, habit. I guess it can live, though.

If you'd be so kind as to edit it into English, please?

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

If you'd be so kind as to edit it into English, please?

He's calling me a bastard and telling me my opinion is intolerant, stupid and rare. He says I don't know what a redneck is; that I've met a few retards who happen to be francophones so I'm lumping them all together.

He's mostly wrong, but I don't blame him. French Quebec is a very isolated culture.

I didn't call you a bastard or stupid. You read and see what you want.

@STYPHON: Sure, I was gonna edit when I saw you're post.

EDIT: A long time ago, indians lived here. Frenchies from Europes came and killed the indians and took over the land. Then time passed. Then some people rebelled and said "Fuck You" to the Frenchies and created their culture. Then the English came here and kicked the French Quebecors' asses and they said "Speak English or die!" and some said "Fuck You" and got killed. Then time passed. Then a little law passed and asked English bussinesses to advertise in French then in English, then everyone freaked out. Idiots from Quebec's French community screamed "You speak English I hate you!" and then Idiots from Quebec's English Community replied "Oh yeah? Well we hate you too!!".

So you see, we've got both bloods on our hands, we've got idiots on both sides and we're living on a land that isn't ours.

So, sure, keep saying French people from Quebec are Rednecks. But I won't say Canada is ignorant and intolerant, there's some really nice people there. I'll say YOU'RE ignorant and intollerant.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

I didn't call you a bastard or stupid. You read and see what you want.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Bâtard, c'est intolérant et imbécile rare ton opinion?

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Then the English came here and kicked the French Quebecors' asses and they said "Speak English or die!" and some said "Fuck You" and got killed.

We didn't say "speak English or die" and we didn't kill you. I'd like to know what the hell you think you're talking about.

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Then time passed. Then a little law passed and asked English bussinesses to advertise in French then in English, then everyone freaked out.

Now that's trivializing it. The Official Language Act (that little law):

• made French the only official language of Quebec
• made it necessary for companies to adopt the French language to communicate with the government
• forced all immigrant children to be educated in french-language schools (even if they come from an English speaking country!)
• forced all business signs to be 2/3 or more French (meaning English and any other language combined must collectively be 1/3 or less!)
• made French the dominant language in court proceedings, meaning that in the case of any ambiguity in the law, the French language translation of the law is to take precedence over the English text.

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Idiots from Quebec's French community screamed "You speak English I hate you!" and then Idiots from Quebec's English Community replied "Oh yeah? Well we hate you too!!"

Oh please.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

We didn't say "speak English or die" and we didn't kill you. I'd like to know what the hell you think you're talking about.

Now that's trivializing it. The Official Language Act (that little law):

• made French the only official language of Quebec
• made it necessary for companies to adopt the French language to communicate with the government
• forced all immigrant children to be educated in french-language schools (even if they come from an English speaking country!)
• forced all business signs to be 2/3 or more French (meaning English and any other language combined must collectively be 1/3 or less!)
• made French the dominant language in court proceedings, meaning that in the case of any ambiguity in the law, the French language translation of the law is to take precedence over the English text.

Oh please.

Once again...

'Bâtard' is used commonly as a way of saying one is surprised, like 'damn!' or 'shit!'. Learn a culture before dissing it.

Also, after the insurrection of 1837, 800 patriots were arrested and locked in a prison of Montreal for resisting the English governement. Most of them were killed by hanging. Stay in school.

As for that law, I'm not even gonna go there since you're simple-minded and think that everyone should speak English because you're English.

Can't you see we have a whole different culture here in Quebec? If everyone speaks English, then we lose most of that beautiful language we have up here!

Originally Posted by loyalist

Thirdly, the Government of Canada has an obligation to keep watch on Quebec to protect minorities. Wuebec has an awful record of mistreating Anglos and Allos, misspending money that could have been useful on the "language police", and so on.

They do have an obligation to protect minority rights, but since the Quiet Revolution, the G of C never intervened because Quebec is awash with voters and civil servants.

Political seperation may be the only way to resolve this issue. Judging from the example of the Czech Republic, seperation may actually bring the two sides closer together through economic cooperation/border agreements, etc.

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EDIT: A long time ago, indians lived here. Frenchies from Europes came and killed the indians and took over the land. Then time passed. Then some people rebelled and said "Fuck You" to the Frenchies and created their culture. Then the English came here and kicked the French Quebecors' asses and they said "Speak English or die!" and some said "Fuck You" and got killed. Then time passed. Then a little law passed and asked English bussinesses to advertise in French then in English, then everyone freaked out. Idiots from Quebec's French community screamed "You speak English I hate you!" and then Idiots from Quebec's English Community replied "Oh yeah? Well we hate you too!!".

Are you insane?
Firstly, Canadien culture came about out of neccesity and not as a rebllion to France.
Secondly,The British gave all sorts of powers to the French-Canadian community through the Quebec Act and allowed French civil law to go on existing. For a conquest, those are some pretty damn generous terms. Throughout it's history as a colony and Canadian province, Quebec was allowed to keep its own French institutions by allowing the Catholic church to continue community operations in French.
Thirdly, Bill 101 didn't "ask" English businesses to advertise in French, it forces English people into French schools, French advertising and business in French. It even had an appeal at the UN! It was an active attempt to destroy Anlgo culture and forced us (or tried to) to speak a lanuage that's not our own. Even the British colonial office never passed such a repressive law.

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Can't you see we have a whole different culture here in Quebec? If everyone speaks English, then we lose most of that beautiful language we have up here!

I have no qualm with people speaking French. It seems that some nationalists ahve a problem with anyone speaking, educating or going about their business with English in Quebec!

Anglos have been in Quebec for centuries, we are part of the province, too. Don't tell us to go home...we already are at home!

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It's not because you stumbled upon two assholes who spoke French that you must categorize everyone of us

well... considering that we ahve more sacred cows than India, and that too many I have spoken/read about are awfully closed-minded:juggler: (hence my name)

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forced all immigrant children to be educated in french-language schools (even if they come from an English speaking country!)

Bill 22 clarified this. Unfortunately, there have been abuses, apparently...

As for the advertisement: if protecting a language means only advertising into it, it's not worth much...

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Once again...

'Bâtard' is used commonly as a way of saying one is surprised, like 'damn!' or 'shit!'. Learn a culture before dissing it.

Also, after the insurrection of 1837, 800 patriots were arrested and locked in a prison of Montreal for resisting the English governement. Most of them were killed by hanging. Stay in school.

And it shouldn't really have gone any other way. We're talking about an armed uprising here. It's serious shit.

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As for that law, I'm not even gonna go there since you're simple-minded and think that everyone should speak English because you're English.

No, you're not gonna go there because you really can't defend it. I think we should be allowed to speak English because we are English. This is an English country.

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Can't you see we have a whole different culture here in Quebec? If everyone speaks English, then we lose most of that beautiful language we have up here!

Just because everybody is allowed to speak English does not at all mean that all of Quebec will speak English. It's clear enough from your hardline (dare I say fascist) attitude on language that the French language is not in any danger.

Originally Posted by loyalist

Are you insane?
Firstly, Canadien culture came about out of neccesity and not as a rebllion to France.

That I agree with you Loyalist, his reaction was very defensive and his argument was false at that: it probably was an unargumented knee-jerk defensive reaction. People can get awfully defensive about thier convictions, you know that.

Originally Posted by loyalist

Secondly,The British gave all sorts of powers to the French-Canadian community through the Quebec Act and allowed French civil law to go on existing. For a conquest, those are some pretty damn generous terms. Throughout it's history as a colony and Canadian province, Quebec was allowed to keep its own French institutions by allowing the Catholic church to continue community operations in French.

True, the post-Conquest political stance was awfully generous to the French-speaking populace, but do you know why? It was by sheer number force, simple as that. The French-speaking inhabitants, even after the post-Conquest influx of immigration, outnumbered the English-speaking ones by a significant margin. Forcing the immense majority of a population to change their way of life could have easily led to an uprising, especially if they didn't support the Catholic Church (which in turn supported them) like they did, since faith was very important to the French inhabitants. It was a generous deal, but one rather forced by the circumsyances, it wasn't entirely out of the good will of her Majesty.

Originally Posted by loyalist

Thirdly, Bill 101 didn't "ask" English businesses to advertise in French, it forces English people into French schools, French advertising and business in French. It even had an appeal at the UN! It was an active attempt to destroy Anlgo culture and forced us (or tried to) to speak a lanuage that's not our own. Even the British colonial office never passed such a repressive law.

The current Bill 101 does not forces English people into French schools, but it does force immigrants into French schools until the end of high school though. It did ban advertising in English for its first few years (which I think was wrong), but now enforces that French is predominant in advertising, to avoid situations similar to the 50s Montreal, where even buisness ran by French people only advertised in English.

Bill 101 is not an attempt at destroying a culture, it's an attempt at protecting what is left of another. Similar laws have been used in other countries:

• Lituania adopted a similar law to protect its own language from russian and english;
• Israel adopted in 1998 a law that obliged its radio stations to broadcast at least half their songs in Hebrew;
• heck, even California adopted in 1986 a Bill that made English the only official language of the State, it's even stated in the preamble that there is an obligation to "preserve, protect and reinforce the English language", it also made English the obligatory learning language to immigrants.

Originally Posted by loyalist

I have no qualm with people speaking French. It seems that some nationalists ahve a problem with anyone speaking, educating or going about their business with English in Quebec!

Anglos have been in Quebec for centuries, we are part of the province, too. Don't tell us to go home...we already are at home!

Yup, just like some people seem to abhor Quebec nationalists as a whole! But like you said, it's some people, and not all nationalists by a long shot. And yes, you're as much at home as anyone that lives in Quebec, that's not the issue here.

And yes, I'm a nationalist.

EDITED for typos.

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Just because everybody is allowed to speak English does not at all mean that all of Quebec will speak English. It's clear enough from your hardline (dare I say fascist) attitude on language that the French language is not in any danger.

I'll bet my life savings that 90% of your opinion c