Split:Was Czecholovakia part of the Soviet Union? Or: Semper is still an idiot.

Yeah, I know this is Croatia, just saying they're from the same region, lol. I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate these guys after seeing how the U.S. got demolished yesterday by Czech.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Yeah, I know this is Croatia, just saying they're from the same region, lol. I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate these guys after seeing how the U.S. got demolished yesterday by Czech.

Except that the Czechs are ranked number 2 in the world, and everyone expected them to run roughshot over the US. Seriously, mate. You live in a fantasy world.

Oh hey US and Mexico are in the same region, let's compare!

NORTH AMERICA FTW.

US IS A MEXIAN SATELLITE NATION WHY LIE

See the difference there Devo is that Eastern Europe was once "united" by something called communism. This parallel doesn't work for the U.S. and Mexico or the rest of North America because there was no communist bloc around here unifying the nations. Get it?

Oh, and I don't watch much soccer, heh. I live in the U.S. damnit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamericanism

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

See the difference there Devo is that Eastern Europe was once "united" by something called communism. This parallel doesn't work for the U.S. and Mexico or the rest of North America because there was no communist bloc around here unifying the nations. Get it?

Oh, and I don't watch much soccer, heh. I live in the U.S. damnit.

Actually, England, France and Spain aren't too shabby at football either. Weren't some of them part of the NATO alliance? Mexico went pretty far in the confederations cup recently. Don't let your shitty reasoning hit you in the ass on the way out.

p.s. Brazil must be united by the South American Alliance.

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

Look, AmeriMarineEagle. You obviously don't know much about the sport. How about you quit while you're ahead and stop embarassing yourself? I used NATO because the Czech Republic (or Czechoslovakia) was in the Warsaw Pact, not the Soviet Union. It's called equivalents. How's that for cleats on your balls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_union:
Established by four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew and from 1956 to 1991 politically contained 15 constituent or union republics — Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR — joined in a strongly centralized federal union. After the USSR's collapse, all 15 SSRs became independent countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_pact
Members
* Soviet Union
* Albania (withdrew its support in 1962 over ideological differences, formally left in 1968)
* Bulgaria
* Czechoslovakia
* East Germany (joined in 1956; left in October 1990)
* Hungary
* Poland
* Romania

You can stop embarassing yourself now.

Wait, do you see the point I'm trying to make here? I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup. I don't know why you're bringing in all this extraneous shit.

Okay, now, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
But since, you're amazing on going off on tangents, I'll pinpoint it for you.



Yeah, you're right about the Warsaw Pact, but it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

Except it wasn't.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Established by four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew and from 1956 to 1991 politically contained 15 constituent or union republics — Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR — joined in a strongly centralized federal union. After the USSR's collapse, all 15 SSRs became independent countries.

"Satellite nation" doesn't mean it was actually in the USSR.

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Following the First World War, the closely related Czechs and Slovaks of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire merged to form Czechoslovakia. During the interwar years, the new country's leaders were frequently preoccupied with meeting the demands of other ethnic minorities within the republic, most notably the Sudeten Germans and the Ruthenians (Ukrainians).

After World War II, a truncated Czechoslovakia fell within the Soviet sphere of influence. In 1968, an invasion by Warsaw Pact troops ended the efforts of the country's leaders to liberalize Communist party rule and create "socialism with a human face." Anti-Soviet demonstrations the following year ushered in a period of harsh repression. With the collapse of Soviet authority in 1989, Czechoslovakia regained its freedom through a peaceful "Velvet Revolution." On 1 January 1993, the country underwent a "velvet divorce" into its two national components, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. The Czech Republic joined NATO in 1999 and the European Union in 2004.

Try the CIA factbook Semper since you keep throwing wiki around. There is no mention of Czechoslovakia being part of the USSR, merely in its sphere of influence. Just because Czechslovakia had hardline commie leaders with the support of the USSR doesn't mean they were a recognized part of it.

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.
This is the crux of your argument, and it's absolutely unconvincing.



A Satellite nation is a country that is dominated politically and economically by another nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_nation

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup. I don't know why you're bringing in all this extraneous shit.

Except when the "extraneous shit" disproves your assertion completely.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.

You're right.

You still lose.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.
This is the crux of your argument, and it's absolutely unconvincing.



A Satellite nation is a country that is dominated politically and economically by another nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_nation

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

You're really overestimating the Soviet Unions grip on Czechoslovakia and assuming that just because it's a Satellite Nation it must have been totally dominated by the USSR when that's not the case. Stop looking up definitions and automatically applying them to history without reading up on the country you're labeling.

Yes, Stalin and the communists had a nice grip on Czechoslovakia politically but they were hardly the USSR's bitch or economically pilaged by the USSR.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup.

Why? Would it shock you to know the USSR was itself a power in football?

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You're really overestimating the Soviet Unions grip on Czechoslovakia and assuming that just because it's a Satellite Nation it must have been totally dominated by the USSR when that's not the case. Stop looking up definitions and automatically applying them to history without reading up on the country you're labeling.

Yes, Stalin and the communists had a nice grip on Czechoslovakia politically but they were hardly the USSR's bitch or economically pilaged by the USSR.

Am I? Is 600,000 troops storming the nation and indefinitely occupying it not good enough to be considered being under the thumb of the Soviet Union?

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The program was well received in Czechoslovakia and was praised by Romanian, Yugoslav, and Western European Communist Parties. However, the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Pact countries became angry learning that this kind of liberalization could spread. Czechoslovakian leaders stood firm in their reform policies and tried to appease the hard-line Soviet Communists by pledging to maintain the Communist Party as the leading force in Czechoslovakian politics and by promising to continue its alliance with the USSR and the Warsaw Pact nations.

The Soviet Union and its other Warsaw Pact allies were not satisfied with Czechoslovia's promise and decided to put an end to the "Czechoslovak Experiment." On the 20th August, 1968, 600,000 Soviet, East German, Polish, Hungarian, and Bulgarian troops invaded and occuped Czechoslovakia. Resistance was, for the most part, not violent, although twenty-five Czech and Slovaks were killed. Dubcek was abducted and taken to the Soviet Union.

Soviet troops were to remain in the country indefinitely. In April 1969, Dubcek was officially replaced as Party Secretary by another Slovak, Gustav Husak, who became president in 1975. Husak's government entirely reversed the reforms of the Prague Spring. Reformers were purged or punished and the country became a tightly controlled suuprter of the USSR.

http://library.thinkquest.org/10775/czecslov.htm

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Why? Would it shock you to know the USSR was itself a power in football?

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, I didn't think that Eastern Europeans even had time to play soccer. Of course that's all changed now but it's relatively a quick recovery. It's good stuff, of course.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

I thought you had incontovertible evidence? Red circle and all? So now it's in "practice"? Hard facts eh?

Edit: You know what, I would really question an academic source that can't even spell right. Also, where do it say, even when occupied, that the country becomes part of the Soviet Union? Well, it does say that it becomes a "suuprter". Whatever that is.