Straight edge or not?

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

This connotation to the term only really came in the recent relapse in the popularity of being a straight-edger. In the documentary Another State of Mind, Ian MacKaye (founder of sXe, former member of Minor Threat and Fugazi, owner of Dischord records) lets the completely wasted Social Distortion and Youth Brigade stay at his house during a 1982 cross country tour. The first straight-edgers just knew people who were really fucked up from drugs and they didn't want that for themselves. They didn't give a fuck what other people did. Later, it became this great convoluted self-aggrandizing bullshit with Nazi and hardliner affiliations.

Interesting side note, MacKaye (supposedly) got the inspiration for straight-edge from nonother than Ted Nugent.

Yes but while I was a teen in highschool it became a movement and a lot of the straight edgers were very self-righteous prudes I wanted nothing to do with.

That's what I've been trying to say ;___;

Point 1, and completely irrelevant to this topic:

The people who started it saw firsthand how alcohol and drugs could fuck people up, or experienced it themselves. They made a conscious decision to avoid that stuff for their own health. What it transformed into is utterly ridiculous:

a) As devo said, a bunch of prudish assholes.
b) Rich, white suburbanites trying to be cool and in da scene!!!1.
c) Hardline militants basically who start shit when people are drinking.

Point 2~

Being edge is a decision that you make. It's not really a byproduct of not drinking, smoking, or doing drugs. If someone was once an alcoholic and decides to give all that up, it's not like they're "not allowed" to go edge. Straight Edge is an effort to abstain, and you DECIDE that you're edge.

I guess it's sort of hard to explain how I see it. I don't drink, do drugs, smoke, and haven't had sex, but I don't think I'll ever declare myself edge.

I dunno... most kids I know who are "straight edge" aren't that way to be cool or be part of a movement. They do it because they were raised that way... just as many non-straight edge kids were raised in a more lax environment.

Originally Posted by nabhan

That's what I've been trying to say ;___;

Point 1, and completely irrelevant to this topic:

The people who started it saw firsthand how alcohol and drugs could fuck people up, or experienced it themselves. They made a conscious decision to avoid that stuff for their own health. What it transformed into is utterly ridiculous:

a) As devo said, a bunch of prudish assholes.
b) Rich, white suburbanites trying to be cool and in da scene!!!1.
c) Hardline militants basically who start shit when people are drinking.

Point 2~

Being edge is a decision that you make. It's not really a byproduct of not drinking, smoking, or doing drugs. If someone was once an alcoholic and decides to give all that up, it's not like they're "not allowed" to go edge. Straight Edge is an effort to abstain, and you DECIDE that you're edge.

I guess it's sort of hard to explain how I see it. I don't drink, do drugs, smoke, and haven't had sex, but I don't think I'll ever declare myself edge.

Ok, now that I have a better idea of what it is, I think I'll just claim to be a good girl and not edge.

Originally Posted by blue

I dunno... most kids I know who are "straight edge" aren't that way to be cool or be part of a movement. They do it because they were raised that way... just as many non-straight edge kids were raised in a more lax environment.

I know what you mean. There are lots of people who go edge for a healthier lifestyle or ethics or whatever. I just think the term has become jaded, and to me doesn't mean too much. Especially when the sXe kids push their lifestyle, or vice versa.

;_;

Originally Posted by nabhan

I know what you mean. There are lots of people who go edge for a healthier lifestyle or ethics or whatever. I just think the term has become jaded, and to me doesn't mean too much. Especially when the sXe kids push their lifestyle, or vice versa.

;_;

Yeah, I think I get what you're saying. As for me, though, I'm straight edge due to being raised by ridiculously conservative parents. I wasn't allowed to say "gosh" or "gee." I was barely ever allowed to watch TV, either.

It took me a while, but I'm beginning to mellow a bit more.

Anyone who pushes their lifestyle is jaded.

I'm totally straight edge. I've never felt/had the need to smoke and drink. Maybe I would have succumbed from peer pressure, but luckily all of my friends were straight edge too.

I'm not a vegetarian though, but I am a virgin, if that means anything.

Absolutely "straight edge".

No drugs and no desire to even try, as I have the perception that they'll mess up my life and become an addiction. Gaming, anime and piano are probably the closest thing to drugs I'll ever bother with 8-)

No alcohol because I think it smells nasty and will probably taste gross. I laugh at all my friends who get drunk and black out after parties, and they laugh at me trying to picture me drunk. Evidently, both sides are cool.

No sex with others...Wouldn't want to risk an std, not that I could get anyone in bed >_>

I don't really party much, since I don't enjoy dancing, and my parents would be rather outraged if I stayed out past 11 or so at best.

I don't smoke by picking up cigarettes or buying them. I get enough second-hand smoke from just walking outside around Hamilton, thank you very much.

I'm not a vegetarian, and I love meat. Just not the yucky slimy fatty parts that feel like it wasn't quite cooked.

I guess the most straight-edge part is that I don't rebel or defy my parents, especially since I have no reason to.

Originally Posted by Summonmaster

Absolutely "straight edge".

No drugs and no desire to even try, as I have the perception that they'll mess up my life and become an addiction. Gaming, anime and piano are probably the closest thing to drugs I'll ever bother with 8-)

No alcohol because I think it smells nasty and will probably taste gross. I laugh at all my friends who get drunk and black out after parties, and they laugh at me trying to picture me drunk. Evidently, both sides are cool.

No sex with others...Wouldn't want to risk an std, not that I could get anyone in bed >_>

I don't really party much, since I don't enjoy dancing, and my parents would be rather outraged if I stayed out past 11 or so at best.

I don't smoke by picking up cigarettes or buying them. I get enough second-hand smoke from just walking outside around Hamilton, thank you very much.

I'm not a vegetarian, and I love meat. Just not the yucky slimy fatty parts that feel like it wasn't quite cooked.

I guess the most straight-edge part is that I don't rebel or defy my parents, especially since I have no reason to.

You seem to have totally ignored all of nabhan's posts. Straight-edge isn't about what you do, it's about why you do what you do. Not liking alcohol "because it smells gross" has absolutely nothing to do with straight edge.

Originally Posted by Summonmaster

No sex with others...Wouldn't want to risk an std, not that I could get anyone in bed >_>

Risk an std? Just who do you plan on screwing? Also why without condoms?

Well not just because it smells gross, but also, I don't think I would enjoy having no recollection and blacking out, or inadvertently saying things while I was drunk so I don't wish to pursue drinking. I'm also afraid I might become an addict and I would start liking it.

Of course I know with condoms, although I keep hearing stories about how condoms aren't apparently 100% foolproof so that's scared me into not doing it. Plus, chances are if I would screw someone she'd be the type that had slept around and would only be doing it with me to see my take on it.
I guess moreso than anything else though, I don't want to be perceived as a guy that would sleep around a lot. Plus, the whole wait until you're married thing.

Okay, you people are definitely getting too stuck on the definition of straight edge.

ALL I MEAN IT AS IS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T DRINK, SMOKE, OR DO DRUGS!!! Sex optional.

Geez, why you hafta make things so complicated? I'll make up a new word for it, if you'd like.

Originally Posted by Summonmaster

Plus, chances are if I would screw someone she'd be the type that had slept around and would only be doing it with me to see my take on it.

Christ almighty, kid. You maen to tell us you're only sexually attracted to whores, but yet whores inexperienced enough to find something exciting in a one night stand with a virgin?

I mean, it's not like I'm trying to convince you that it's wrong for you to not be sexually active yet. But you do know that girls are people too, right?

Going on a tangent, I hate this kind of rationalization. It's okay that you don't want to drink, we don't care. But you say that you fear that you won't have enough self-control that you'll get rip-roaring drunk. You say that you fear the girls you are sexually attracted to are whores. You feel that your liking something is the same as your being addicted to it. You're 18 or so now, you mean to tell me you haven't developed one single trait of self-preservation? If that's the case, that is something you need to address, and immediately.

Originally Posted by a lurker

I mean, it's not like I'm trying to convince you that it's wrong for you to not be sexually active yet. But you do know that girls are people too, right?

This brood almost never does, Lurks.

I don't do drugs out of choice and alcohol and cigarettes. However I have smoked just because and I do social drinking. I enjoy tequila, some beers and Mike's Hard Lemonade. I'm even willing to try other drinks. So for those reasons I'm not straight-edge. I wouldn't associate myself with scene regardless as I hate the stereotypical person involved and the music as well. I don't care if people drink to get drunk, I've done it twice and didn't enjoy it. Regardless, fuck straight-edge.

Whats the point in just intentionally not drinking alcoholic drinks purely for the sake of not drinking alcoholic drinks?

Do people do it because they feel "morally superior" by not ingesting ethanol? how does that make sense?

Do people do it because they were taught not to? Do they not question why they were taught this? Because it really doesn't make any sense...



someone explain :/

Originally Posted by Cadenza

Whats the point in just intentionally not drinking alcoholic drinks purely for the sake of not drinking alcoholic drinks?

Do people do it because they feel "morally superior" by not ingesting ethanol? how does that make sense?

Do people do it because they were taught not to? Do they not question why they were taught this? Because it really doesn't make any sense...



someone explain :/

Have you read any of the posts in this topic? They're full of different reasons why people don't drink. Check them out.

I don't consider myself straight edge. I think in order for someone to classify as such, you make it a point in your everyday life to follow straight edge things. Otherwise you can consider an entire bible study group straight edge when in fact they're not really. I am raised in a conservative household so I did not drink, smoke, or do drugs. Until college I began to drink casually and rarely with friends. I don't like the taste, but I do it to feel the buzz.

The first time I heard of the term was from a friend who lived up north. I never heard of it used ever, so when I first heard him say he was I was like come again? Anyway, the way he explained it to me was that he didn't do drugs, smoke, drink, etc. But he does have sex so I guess sex doesn't factor into the straight edge thing.