Emo / Depression

Except there is a distinction between clinically depressed, and just plain depression that isn't your silly teenage angst.

Yes, but that kind of depression isn't a way of life. It's pretty much equivalent to being in a bad mood, and it passes. That's not what I'm talking about.

Actually Emo is nothing else then a style of hair clothes and music.

A lot of my friends are "emo" but are not depressed in the slightest.
They just dress in the type of clothes the majority wants them to wear and put their hair all "emo" and listen to bands like atreyu and you name it.
But actually being Emo and being clinically depressed is a whole different thing.

besides it's fun to make fun of an emo kid ( even if they are you're friends).
Depressed kids probably don't like being made fun of.

Why do people think emo kids have girl problems? My city's become a sort of emo central and christ, they've got girls fawning all over them. I suppose this is stronger grounding to prove they have nothing to whine about.

Where to draw the line... three different things really. There's emo, more of a style, which is simply falsely associated with depression (as has already been said). Emo is short for emotional, right? What's so wrong with that? Does that mean not being emo requires you to feel absolutely nothing? And it doesn't say which emotion it is linked with. Then there's regular teenage angst. And proper, full-blown, clinical depression. The last two things are pretty easy to single out, I think there's a very clear line between them.

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

I hate quote wars...they're so tedious.

Define "Quote War". I'm just quoting your post the better to contextualise my responsese.

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My sister was recently diagnosed with "severe depression," so don't assume I'm one of those people who doesn't believe in depression, OK?

I really don't assume that, Alice. However, I do disagree with you that you can bring about any meaningful adjustment to the attitude of a child who doesn't wish to change his attitude. You can't do it by discussion, and you can't do it by corporal punisment. All you can do is to cow the child, force them to toe the line, and force them to conceal their real attitude. If that's enough for you, then fine.

In order to achieve meaningful change, though, a person of any age needs to actually want to change. The best way, in my opinion, to bring this about is to show that person the rewards of change. For example, if the hypothetical child to which we are referring stops being angsty, and moping about in his room, he can get a job, and earn money with which to buy eyeliner and Linkin Park records.

For the record, I'm actually very sorry that I questioned your parenting skills. I still agree with Cyrus XIII that you "seem to lack any empathy for the emotional sensibilities of other people", but God knows that's not something which gives me cause to be so rude.

I actually do believe in corporal punishment, but not as motivator to change the attitude of a child. I believe in it as the ultimate sanction, for behaviour which is simply way out of line. For example, if I had children, and I found out that one of them had knowingly used a racist term of abuse, I'd be damn sure to slap his ass. However, I fail to actually see the wrongdoing involved in being angsty. Even if the child in question has no actual problems, I believe that greater results would be achieved as a result of discussion, rather than punishment.

Originally Posted by Alice

we're probably going to have to call a truce on this one.

Assuming you were addressing me on this one, I think that I've apologised sufficently for my own rudeness, and clarified my position to the point where mutual respect can exist, so... pax?

Originally Posted by daxy

Actually Emo is nothing else then a style of hair clothes and music.

A lot of my friends are "emo" but are not depressed in the slightest. They just dress in the type of clothes the majority wants them to wear and put their hair all "emo" and listen to bands like atreyu and you name it.

This is true. There are two subsets of "emo", which intersect to a certain degree. Emo and agnsty, or Emo-style. A former work-colleague of mine dressed in a very Emo style, but he was among the more cheerful and motivated people I've had the priveledge to know.

plain depression vs. clinical depression? Plain depression is just a synonym for a temporary mood of saddness. Calling it plain depression is a bad idea, and hsould be avoided, as it gets things mucky.

Alice may not have stated that idle time increases depression. Even if not, its still true.

Actually there are more people suffering from depression than ever before, and for more than just one reason.

As for not being able to change feeling via behavior... actually you can. It doesn't always work, but if you make them behave differently, the feelings will often eventually assoiciate with their changed behavior.

What is emo? What does it stand for?

You know the definition, i never heard the term before until like the other day.

Double Post:

Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

Yes, but that kind of depression isn't a way of life. It's pretty much equivalent to being in a bad mood, and it passes. That's not what I'm talking about.

I actually had a discussion about depression and i was trying to get people to understand that " depression " is a mood, not a disease as some may say. People got mad at me for saying it, but i meant what i said. I knew people who said they was depressed, mins later they went to a damn party. So from what i can and my stuides, depression is a bad mood, a very bad mood.

Originally Posted by MysteryRidah

I knew people who said they was depressed, mins later they went to a damn party. So from what i can and my stuides, depression is a bad mood, a very bad mood.

Depression is a term that is used to describe both a mood and a disease, and that causes a bit a bit of confusion. The mood depression, or "being depressed", is like any other mood and can pass in moments. The disease depression is totally different and definitely not a mood; I know this from over a decade of first-hand experience. Unlike a mood, which can change over the course of hours or even minutes, clinical depression can last for months, years, even decades. It affects every facet of ones life, and is constantly there; it isn't something that just goes away by itself. I made the mistake of believing it would, and it cost me years of my life that I'll never have back. And from my experience, there is no real "cure" for depression; its more like cancer, that can go into remission but is never fully gone.

Originally Posted by daxy

Actually Emo is nothing else then a style of hair clothes and music.

Actually, it is also the town that I live in www.emo.ca