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I am not saying that the kid isn't a dummy, as most children are not quite fully functioning at 13, but should a case like this be defined as rape if the boy willingly allowed it and wasn't harmed in the process? I mean, when I was around that age, I was already sexually active. I also knew what I liked and didn't like. In that, I had all the necessary means to make choices for myself. I think too much emphasis is being placed on this 22 year old as being predatory. Was the boy truly the 'prey' in this situation? The kid knew what he was doing. While this may be untrue, and evenso, such relationships are well defined within our own society as being 'bad' but greatly vary from culture to culture. The question is, who is right and who is wrong? How ya doing, buddy?
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Are you fucking daft? Rape is the act of forcing sex on an non-consenting party. Statutory rape exists because minors are categorically considered incapable of offering consent. Especially with adults.
13 year olds do not exactly know right from wrong. Hell, lots of people never stop developing their own personal moralities, but 13 is sure as fuck not an age where we should be burdening people with those kinds of dilemmas. I am right, lurker is right, Dev is right, and you are out of your fucking mind if you think that 13 year olds can make informed decisions concerning sexual behavior. This woman is, without a doubt, the predator, because she is taking advantage of somebody else's weakness for the sake of her own gratification. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Rape is there because the mental image of a 13 year old girl being raped sells newspapers. Thirteen year old boys don't know what the fuck they are doing (fuck, nineteen year old boys don't know what they're doing), and she knew as much, but she was too horny to care.
Harm is emotional and mental harm. His dick may be sore for a few days afterward but there's a kid growing up with completely false ideas about sexuality and relationships to women. That is harm, that is abusing a child, because sexuality and relationships are a very large part of of a person's life and destroying both like that is wrong. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I was speaking idiomatically.
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I am going out on a limb here, to put my foot down and declare: "Statutory Rape is wrong, in all cases." Using somebody's weaknesses in order to extract juicy feelgood juice is always predatory, or did SirVG not skeev you out?
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How's that? Name one good aspect a culture which forces 13 year old children to take on the responsibilities of grown women.
Children do not understand consent, and hence there can not even be any discussion of consent. The adult is always in control, and if she or he chooses to abuse this control, they are sick and twisted individuals. FELIPE NO |
Weakness is a term which holds questionable principle, determined by morals of society. While I appreciate the laws as they exist in my own society, I am not brash enough to admit that it makes another culture wrong.
That aside, our quality of life is very different from others. We enjoy the many amenities of a technological society, and greatly benefit from them. Yes, WE are so well educated that we have just about the worst educational system on the planet, but whose keeping track? Yes, we are so peaceful that we have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq but thats neither here nor there. MEH. Its nice that our culture seems so evolved, but without the ability to respect the views of other cultures, it doesn't seem like it means much.
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One other thing to consider about statutatory rape is that it isn't an error on the part of the younger party for being immature, but the crime is charged against the older party, who should have known better and who should not be preying on the weaknesses of children.
Many statutory rape laws have an exception if the parties are less than 2 years different in age, i.e. the same level of immaturity/stupidity. What really makes statutory rape such a sickening crime is the old preying on the inexperience of the young. Most amazing jew boots
Last edited by ramoth; Jul 30, 2007 at 11:05 PM.
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Rape isn't merely defined in physical violence. The negative impact emotionally and mentally are catastrophic when it comes to teens, because it impacts their development so drastically, and not for the better.
It is wrong in all cases, predatory in all cases, because the majority of scientific and cultural thinking say so. Though I see you're now going to try and say that it isn't predatory...
Children cannot defend themselves. They are incapable of saying "no" and incapable of exerting will. Neus said it himself that in a child/adult relationship, the adult is always in control, and if that control is used at the expense of the child it is always predatory, always wrong. You cannot argue this.
The Persians would be running circles around the Middle East if they weren't saddled with a theocracy, and in many ways they already are. There's nowhere I can't reach.
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What's the point of having one of these threads every six months, other than identifying the current crop of gf pedos?
I'd go so far as to say there isn't anything wrong with a 13/22 pair, although it's a signal that there's something deeply wrong with the 22 year old if they can find fulfillment beyond a one-off gratification in a 13-year-old punk. It's enormously stupid, and the kid will realize this when the sexual high wears off and suddenly there's no money (or worse, a baby shows up), but your teens are all about doing incredibly stupid things that you thought were brilliant ideas at the time. At least mine were. Assuming she has no STDs, it's probably a lot safer sort of stupid than making your own flaming arrows or "baking" clay sculptures on a bbq. (Funny how most of my childhood memories involve fire or mud or both.) You can't even say that it's going to damage the kid or warp his views on women, unless you have a psychology degree and personally interviewed him (or have a transcript from someone who did). Sure it's possible, just like it's possible he'll come out better for it. The only things you can really say about it are "she should have known better" and "what the hell is up with the mom jesus".
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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How ya doing, buddy?
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Yeah, I guess you could come out better from it in the same sense that somebody who has been mugged learns to buy a gun (LOL).
However, I don't see how you can say:
If there is nothing wrong with the situation, why is there something wrong with the adults? If there is no victim, then why should the adult know better? What is there to know better in a case where nobody has been harmed? There shouldn't be any reason to know better, unless it endangers the parties, and if it does so, how can it not be wrong?
I was speaking idiomatically.
Last edited by Bradylama; Jul 30, 2007 at 04:19 AM.
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Secondly, this story involving Mohammed holds little merit for Islam as a whole. What you refer to is an outdated text which isn't largely supported by Islam in any way shape or form in modern times, at least in regards to marriage age. That is, marriage of girls at 9 is not common to the culture, as a whole. You were referring to arabs (or more notably islams as not every arab is bound to take heart with the teachings of Mohammed) and casting them all in one lump sum of rampant stupidity. Thats not fair. In that way of thinking, you have made a judgment according to a limited viewpoint for its own sake. However, I see that your intent may have not been to cast these people in an unfavourable light just for a cheap laugh, though instinct tells me a different story. If you aren't racist, then feel free to ignore my statements. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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What sort of demented asshole are you? FELIPE NO
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It is insane that the mother let all of this happen in her own home.
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I'm not privy to the psychological evaluations to say how wrong the adult was. The most damaging consequences of pedophilia come from adults convincing children that they are ugly, dirty, shameful little creatures that no one can love, either carefully manipulated to feel only the molester can understand and love them or simply humiliating them into submission, and that if the relationship is revealed it'll be the child who will be punished and outcast. That's when it ruins lives and leads to severe psychological problems. It doesn't sound like that's the case at all here, given how brazen it all was, but who knows. On the other hand, the mother's there to look out for the child's best interests, which as this thread so aptly points out, aren't going to be served by a 22 year old mooch, even if she brings da hooch. She's old enough to know a little pussy probably isn't going to do her son much good long-term when he should be studying and socializing, and more importantly, that there's a major chance that everyone involved could get in a great deal of trouble, like they did. Gumby, in most of Japan it's 18. 13 is the federal limit, but only in force in the bumfuck redneck prefectures. Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Last edited by koifox; Jul 30, 2007 at 06:20 PM.
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The cop in the newscast is a buzzkill. He should be saying:
"Police say this is just another example of the dangers that come with technology." Yeah, fucking technology. We outta make some rules to idiot-proof the world and save people from the hassle of thinking for themselves. The reporter called the game "runscape" using a short U. lolzzzzzzzzzzzz! There's nowhere I can't reach. |
The most significant harm, however, involves how the experience would affect the kid's personality. Half the people in this thread insist that he'll be placed on some kind of Pedestal of Machismo, and you think that's gonna be good for him? What your logic inevitably arrives at, is that if something is not wrong, then why should it be illegal? This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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Do you think you're so clever that no one knows what you're doing? You're defending a predatory, unstable woman and shifting some of the "blame" onto the victim because when you were thirteen you got laid. If your situation is analogous to this, you're justifying decisions thrust upon you in order to avoid the stigma of being a victim of male rape, of being deceived into thinking you want what she has to offer.
Of course, you don't think you were poorly affected by this. After all, you feel normal, right? You don't feel irrevokably damaged. Well, lest anyone thinks that statutory rape on a 13 year old boy doesn't affect the boy, here is proof positive. Sociopaths think they're behaving completely rationally as well, not affected by their disorder since they make all of their decisions with a clear mind. What I'm saying is of course you can't tell how broken you are. I was speaking idiomatically. |
Additionally, I like how rainman thinks the ability to determine you shouldn't throw animals and kick little kids means you are capable of consenting to an act that can turn you, magically, into a father.
Do you think a thirteen year old boy can be a good provider to his baby? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
And to answer your question, yes. I hope that I've made myself clear.
At any rate, my sexuality doesn't concern you. My argument was that I knew what I wanted/liked at that age and was sexually active. THAT'S IT, smartguy. I used that point to make an argument. No more, no less. You are reading far too much into far too little. (though its not too difficult to see why that is.) (Judging from these run-ins we seems to be having, I am sure you get intense sexual gratification from stalking people on the internet.) Again I am going to tell you that to question something is to concede nothing. We can consider something without acting upon it. I like to argue. I like to consider different things contrary to what is considered common practice. This case is unique and I was interesting in discussing. What the hell about that is so difficult for you to come to grips with? I've stated that this women will go to jail and rightfully so. Consider for a moment that I simply enjoy looking at things in a different way from time to time. You know better. Quit being so dense.
In any event, it doesn't hurt for me to admit what I am. I am honest with myself. Other than that, I don't feel that any more input is needed. Take your pitiful psychological profiling elsewhere.
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Reason: This member got a little too post happy.
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It is not normal to have been sexually active at 13. It's not normal at all. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
In this particular instance, I suppose that with the long court case, the mother going to jail, the kid bouncing around foster homes, is all going to irreparably damage the kid, but in this case I think the justice system is going to do a lot more damage than peer awe ever could have, in the name of doing less damage in the vast majority of cases. But that's how society works, I guess, sacrifice the few to save the many. Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Last edited by koifox; Jul 31, 2007 at 12:38 PM.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're exceptionally hostile and defensive when someone brings up the fact that a) you are not behaving in an acceptable manner, and b) you were in all likelihood raped as a child and enjoyed it, information you volunteered. Who was it? Was it family?
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