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Of course an educated person can brush aside a racial slur. By the by, walk up to a jewish professor and tell him you think he's a kike and he should burn in an oven. See how fucking funny he thinks you are. I can brush aside a racial slur. I'm white, I'm educated and I can make a point about how words shift constantly, how they don't intrinsically have meaning, but rather they take meaning from webs of understanding dictated by societal pressures. But I'm not black. I've never had someone spit the word nigger at me in blatant anger. And you know what, when that person chooses a word they know is hateful, and use it in a hateful way? That can be a harsh thing to do. Now, I'm a big proponent of words being words and people needing to be less sensitive, but you know what? Your lack of understanding of any of the modern concepts or theories just proves that education IS needed in it. Not because nigger is the worst thing you can say, but because understanding why other people might think it is... ya, that's sort of important to the debate at hand. Also, Minion and Rocketdog, I have three years worth of fieldwork behind me, along with years of research. I've dealt with this on the ground, I'm not talking from a textbook. When one of you has worked in the field, doing research on agency and language with different cultures, then you can talk to me about real world experience. Also, Rocketdog, you are the last person to talk about this subject. We've seen before how your perspective works, and you've managed to talk yourself right out of any valid point. Especially considering neither Lurker, LeHah, or myself said the word nigger was as offensive as these two men are making it out to be. If you don't even understand the basic point, keep your arguments to yourself. Also, Heckler, stealing as in having the same basic premise. I got tired of people asking me why I'd become retarded in my posting habits, and having to explain that you aren't me. Apparently a moderator did, too. Most amazing jew boots John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Maybe Richards should've used another word - but maybe their mothers should've raised them better. I was speaking idiomatically. |
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Yeah, I mean... that's how I feel exactly. I'm just trying to understand how our views differ, if they in fact do.
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It was so sad watching Richards apologize on the Letterman Show.
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Here's the thing:
The two black guys were ignorant dumbfucks for inciting the shit in the first place. Richard was an equally ignorant dumbfuck for keeping the shit going and saying/reacting in the way that he did. As for this lawsuit nonsense that the black guys are going for (if you saw thier interview on Extra): Mental trauma MY ASS - they deserve no money and are obviously only after the man for his riches at this point. This ladies and gentlemen is what we in the educated world like to call "niggerism." As for Richards, his credibility and career are destroyed and the only person he has to blame for that is himself. MANY a comedian - even the best have been heckled in thier day - the good comedians are the ones that turn it around and wind up making the hecklers look like a bunch of dumb shits. The hecklers are like "We want to see some punishment" - Richards has been banned from performing at one of the most well known comedy clubs in stand up, his reputation is shattered through no fault of his own, and he's ginormously borked up what's left of his career. What more do they want? Personally I think both parties were heavily at fault. If I sued everybody I know cause they called me a nigger whether in jest or in insult I'd be a fucking RICH BITCH and I am almost certain that goes for almost every other black man on the planet as well. Nothing goes better together better than fools and money. I was speaking idiomatically.
Last edited by Dubble; Nov 25, 2006 at 07:19 PM.
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in all honesty, richards said that he did it cause he had a lot of anger at the time. I myself never support using that word period for what he used, but it really would've made better sense for him to find a different outlet for that anger before the show, to avoid the aforementioned incident
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? You know what? you just might be full enough of shit to apply for congress |
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I know, man. It was just sort of pitiful to watch.
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yeah, it's sad knowing you're such a comedian that you can't be taken seriously anymore
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It was more seing this amazing guy who has made me laugh countless timed up there apologizing like this. Him being laughed at and almost ridiculed just felt sad.
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I found it really depressing as well. I've watched Seinfield for as long as I can remember and I've come to care about the actors. For something so terrible to happen and for Richards trying to apologize and not being taken seriously... Its really depressing. He did do something wrong but he is sincerely sorry for it and I'm sure he's still in a lot of pain over it. It's terrible.
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
I know this discussion is a few pages down the line, but Im proud of the guy. He hit some assholes where it hurts and should stick by what he said with no apologies.
I keep seeing alot of people saying he could of handled it better, but I honestly think he handled it the best way possible. Hes a comedian and he completely shit talked some stupid fuck into a loop. You can tell someones losing a trash talking argument when they say the same shit over and over again. "That was uncalled for" < Owned What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Calling someone a nigger takes no comedic skill, and even less values. It was a moment of weakness, and nothing more, I hope.
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As far as I can tell from the terrible quality video, this stand-up act didn't take place on a plantation in the 1830's.
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