Werewolf Game 9: And Good Claims Victory (Wrap-Up Inside) - Page 11

Acro-nym · Oct 11, 2006, 03:38 PM

Well, huh. That was certainly unexpected, at least for me. But what's to stop the city from building an execution rig by tomorrow and killing him then? Okay, probably more evidence. Oddly enough, I don't know what to make of this Magistrate stuff. The person could have either voted with the bandwagon to avoid suspicion while knowing the vote didn't matter or they could have voted against the bandwagon in order to have their vote matter. I'm a little confused...

Why couldn't I have lost reason when I died?

wvlfpvp · Local time: Oct 11, 2006, 09:34 PM

what I think'd be funny would be if Lukage turned out to be one of the Vigilantes. So if he HAD gotten lynched, it'd be like the good folks losing a partner . . . but it also would have been like evil losing a partner too.

It's like irony. Only not.

a lurker · Oct 11, 2006, 11:57 PM

son of a

cheeky son of a bitch, I hope Lukage turns out to be good because fu.

MTGNecro · Local time: Oct 11, 2006, 10:25 PM

Woa. Back from an extended family thing. 4 members in the hospital at almost the same time. Apologies to all for holding up the game :/

Now lemme just scroll back and see what has been happening...

Elfstar · Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 12:36 PM

If I get killed tonight, Zergrinch is definitely a bad guy and they're scared I'm on to them.

Also I rate Lukage's chances of surviving the night pretty slim.

Oh yeah, change the thread title...

Zergrinch · 09:50 AM

Alright, fellow, you've been calling me out for a while now. I'm going to have to respond in like kind, since calling you names hasn't done its part in silencing you!

First up, note how often Shin keeps emphasizing that he is good (three out of six posts).

Originally Posted by Shin

Well, so far the Vigilantes have been pretty poor. If we leave Lukage alive they'll have a better target to aim at tonight and the rest of us good players needn't worry so much about gettign murdered by a team mate.

Originally Posted by Shin

If we lynch Lukage and he turns out to be evil and then one of the vigilantes kills another good guy during the night I'm going to be most annoyed with you guys.

Originally Posted by Shin

If I get killed tonight, Zergrinch is definitely a bad guy and they're scared I'm on to them.

This is my first werewolf game, but I get a funny feeling, y'know.

You're one of the three mysterious strangers. In the aborted game, Crash was the Spy, you were a mason, and Butchere was a Vigilante. The moderator also missed out three players, and placed them in new roles at the last minute, in effect making them the mysterious strangers part deux. ZeroSlash was a vigilante, Brent was placed into the mafia, and Helloween joined the werewolves.

Out of the "six" mysterious strangers in the last game, half of them were baddies. This tells me that The Griffin is not averse to running a game with six werewolves or six mafia (or both!), give or take an infiltrator.

Let us repeat the accusation you made, that makes you fear being targetted during the night:

Originally Posted by Shin

I'd be inclined to suggest that Zergrinch's handy summing up is a deflection move. Lukage is being sacrificed to draw attention away from his evil team mates. Therefore, I'm voting for Zergrinch with a heavy dose of suspicion aimed at those who jumped straight on his bandwagon.

You said it was a handy summary, a bandwagon aimed at deflecting suspicion from my supposed affiliation with Lukage.

What did I really say?

Originally Posted by Zergrinch

And now, allow me to point out a few observations. I am NOT making any votes yet:

Dullenplain, and ramoth (both deceased masons) voted against Lukage. Since the masons have the benefit of an infiltrator, this might suggest that they both knew something about him that's not kosher.
Two pairs of people voted for each other: el jacko and Chaotic, and knkwzrd and Kilroy. We know that there is only one mason left (and neither of those listed are mysterious strangers who could possibly be masons). Thus, I'm speculating that these pairs could possibly be allies working together to mutually deflect suspicions. Since the only good team has been decimated...
Finally, the apparent ease in which the masons have been going down leads me to believe that there may be more than one infiltrator in this game...

I was merely doing a brief observation of my chart, and searched for any discernable patterns, without considering context or any other in-thread or whore information. It was not my intention to start any particular bandwagon - I named five people in my observation after all! I joined the Lukage bandwagon before switching votes, yes, but that was before I considered other information, which makes me agree with Identity Crisis' accusations more than my initial observation.

Based on how easily you twisted what I said, I must conclude that you are actually employing the deflection maneuver that you are ascribing to me. Your statement about your nocturnal death however, applies similarly. If I am killed by evil tonight, I want to pin the blame on Shin.

Finally, if Lukage turns out to be a Lucky Stiff or especially a Hunter, I will also blame you. Why? In your last three posts, you're blatantly calling the vigilantes to target Lukage. You want the vigilantes to kill Lukage. Well and good, if Lukage is evil. But if not... (hr hr)

Fellow players, if you have read this far into my chastisement of Shin, I provide a freebie. Here is the voting results for both days, with my observations. If you do not see an updated picture, please refresh your browser cache. Statistical observations removed!

Kilroy · Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zergrinch

First up, note how often Shin keeps emphasizing that he is good (three out of six posts).

Uhm, not to get involved or anything, but doesn't everybody emphasize that they're good? Walking around, screaming "I'M A MOTHERFUCKING WEREWOLF" doesn't exactly pay off in this game. Anything which seems mildly suspicious is instantly awarded with a lynch-bandwagon.
No wonder people are emphasizing their connection to the powers of Good...

nuttyturnip · Oct 12, 2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kilroy

Uhm, not to get involved or anything, but doesn't everybody emphasize that they're good? Walking around, screaming "I'M A MOTHERFUCKING WEREWOLF" doesn't exactly pay off in this game. Anything which seems mildly suspicious is instantly awarded with a lynch-bandwagon.
No wonder people are emphasizing their connection to the powers of Good...

It's not the greatest idea to go around shouting, "Hey, I'm a good guy!" because then the Wolves or the Mafia will kill you off. The key is to come off somewhere in the middle, otherwise you're a target for one side or the other.

For Shin to be openly proclaiming he's a good guy, he must be confident he won't get killed at night (i.e., he could be a Werewolf or Mafia).

Acro-nym · Oct 12, 2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

For Shin to be openly proclaiming he's a good guy, he must be confident he won't get killed at night (i.e., he could be a Werewolf or Mafia).

Or he could be a Lucky Stiff. Just saying.

nazpyro · Oct 12, 2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

It's not the greatest idea to go around shouting, "Hey, I'm a good guy!" because then the Wolves or the Mafia will kill you off. The key is to come off somewhere in the middle, otherwise you're a target for one side or the other.

"Hey, I'm a good guy!"

osnap air of mystery

I thought there wasn't supposed to be any strategy discussions and stuff at night. ;_;

Zergrinch · 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Kilroy

Uhm, not to get involved or anything, but doesn't everybody emphasize that they're good? Walking around, screaming "I'M A MOTHERFUCKING WEREWOLF" doesn't exactly pay off in this game. Anything which seems mildly suspicious is instantly awarded with a lynch-bandwagon.
No wonder people are emphasizing their connection to the powers of Good...

It is true that shouting "I'M A MOTHERFUCKING WEREWOLF" is an ill-advised course of action. At the start of the game, evil is outnumbered, after all.

However, I must disagree that everyone is emphasizing their affiliation with good. Read through the thread - very few people actually go out and explicitly say things like "us good guys". This is why the above declarations piqued my interest. Keep saying you're good and all that, I would smell a rat.

nuttyturnip has an interesting angle which I did not think about. (However, if Shin is a werewolf, that declaration is dicey to make because the Spy is gone.) Acro-nym's idea too is plausible. And of course, Hunters would presumably want to be killed, especially since the Mafia is operating blind in this game. It's probably a form of strategy to do so.

At any rate, I do admit, Kilroy, that the declaration of goodness isn't much on its own. That's why I did not expound further, because there are several possible roles that could benefit from it.

Originally Posted by nazpyro

"Hey, I'm a good guy!"

osnap air of mystery

I thought there wasn't supposed to be any strategy discussions and stuff at night. ;_;

Shin started it

I felt compelled to take pre-emptive non-aggression measures as a self-preservation mechanism! I don't want to tarry too long while Shin , nehmi, and Kilroy starts sowing the seeds of a lynch bandwagon

Anyway, I might not survive the night, so this discussion could be moot in the morning, kekeke

Identity Crisis · Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by nazpyro

I thought there wasn't supposed to be any strategy discussions and stuff at night. ;_;

Originally Posted by GFWiki

Posting is allowed, but no discussion of strategy.

I do believe you're right, nazpyro. We probably should hold off the discussion/accusations of who's evil or good and any reasons why until the next day.

Unless GFWiki is wrong, of course.

The_Griffin · Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 04:23 PM

GFWiki is right. Please refrain from doing something like this in the future. That goes for both Zergrinch and Shin.

Also, the time limit on the Two-Timing Whore rolls has expired, and I will shortly write out the PMs for the checks, etc., that I've received so far tonight.

Jochie · Local time: Oct 13, 2006, 12:43 PM

I am posting words. Please don't kill me -- OH CRAP. I mean, has anyone ever thought about a version of this game with shorter time limits? Maybe I'm online too often.

Nehmi · Local time: Oct 13, 2006, 01:47 PM

I've heard that there was an IRC Werewolf going at some time. That would probably be about as fast paced as you are gonna get.

nazpyro · Oct 13, 2006, 03:52 PM

Yeah, Lukage mentioned it last game, but only galador and I showed up. Lukage was too cised about Wii.

He was supposed to mod it.

I'd be game for moderating an IRC one, though it'd be my first time doing so, and werewolf 9 is only the second time I've played this game; but I like it enough.

Just gotta pick a time, and players just have to show.

Game shouldn't take longer than an hour I'd think.

Acro-nym · Oct 13, 2006, 03:54 PM

I guess I'm game for an IRC Werewolf. I've got nothing better to do. Just name the time.

nuttyturnip · Oct 13, 2006, 04:03 PM

Yeah, Lukage has tried it at least 2 times, but both times only 1-2 people turned up. It's a neat idea, but being in different time zones and having different schedules makes organizing something like that hard.

Also, the night deadline has come and gone, so more zombies will shortly be joining the ranks of the undead. The question is, for whom does the bell toll?