An experiment in ADX file formatting...Hamauzu fiends take note! :)

With the strides in playing loopable audio streaming over at hcs.com, especially for GameCube audio, I have become infatuated with ADX. This format came into prominence during the DreamCast era, and allows for seamless, loopable tracks.

What is even better...there are tools and tutorials out there about how to make your own!

As an experiment, I ripped all(? hope I didn't miss any...) the loopable tracks from Disc 1 of the Dirge of Cerberus OST, investigated them, and got to work. And for the most part, I think it worked! A couple times I had to...um...cheat.

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Although the files are considerably bigger than MP3s, the loopability more than makes up for it. hcs's in_cube makes it a snap. Still only want one playthrough? You can do that. Traditional two loops? Yep. Three? You bet. Do you want "Counteroffensive" to play over and over and OVER??? Then do it!

Oh yeah...and a bonus. Lian_Kazairl most kindly recorded the unreleased "Tutorial" music. I gave that the ADX spin as well. And I bet my fellow Hmz-fans will love it.

If there's enough demand, maybe I'll go after Disc 2...

p.s. Oh yeah...I also went after "More Complicated" and "Beyond the One" from Star Ocean 3 Director's Cut. I'm guessing that some of you want to hear them also...?

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I was going to come in here and say this is kind of a silly idea, but then I look over at my Shadow of the Colossus soundtrack with its single-looped tracks, and realize I keep hitting replay on this MP3 of Gestation from Cave Story. The sizes are bound to be a killer, though.

Where exactly are these tools and tutorials?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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EDIT: does that mean programming-language noob like me could make adx file myself?

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Some effort is required, but nothing too complex. Maybe...

And sorry I haven't gotten around to answering your questions, MK. Here goes...

There are quite a few pages on the subject, primarily with changing the music in Dreamcast games. For example:
http://pes4.edgegaming.com/editmusic.html

Now, while it does explain how to set the looping variables, it doesn't tell you what to do if the loop point is in the MIDDLE of the wav file. That is where most of the challenge lies. For that, you'll need a sound editor which can tell you the location of the current marker in the sound by SAMPLES, not time. You have to listen and look at the file to figure out the best looping points. And once you figure out where the end of the loop will go, don't forget to chop off the rest.

Also, one way to cut down on size in the ADXs is to downsample the source wav from 44.1 kHz to - for example - 22.05. I think most true in-game audio does something like this; if I recall, XA files on the PS1 were about 37. So yeah, the sound takes a hit, but uses far less space.

I'm not the best at explaining things sometimes, so I hope there's enough here to get you started. Have fun!

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I'm a bit confused, I thought this adx format was developed for gamecube games. Does that mean it could be used as ps2 as well? an alternative to psf2 format?

I'm bit curious about this. would you show me the link to tutorial to adx ripping, squaretex? (since that link you put above is for dreamcast isnt it?)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh, the link isn't about ripping at all, sorry. It's just about making your own custom ADXs and inserting them into a Dreamcast game. Of course, the second part is entirely optional; I just create 'em for listening pleasure.

hcs would know more about ripping that I would.

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This is pretty cool. Thanks for the info, squaretex! I'm downloading the DoC disc 1 to check it out.

Though I must say, there are probably more optimal formats to use simply for looping tracks -- but I'm not aware of any.

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Posted by squaretex
Now, while it does explain how to set the looping variables, it doesn't tell you what to do if the loop point is in the MIDDLE of the wav file. That is where most of the challenge lies. For that, you'll need a sound editor which can tell you the location of the current marker in the sound by SAMPLES, not time. You have to listen and look at the file to figure out the best looping points. And once you figure out where the end of the loop will go, don't forget to chop off the rest.

Heck, I can do that. You have to do the same thing to make VGM files, so I've already got the toys for that. Bleah, the ADX encoder is a command line program, though. Oh well, I'll live somehow.

I notice in the tutorial that they say to downsample to 24000 Hz. Is this necessary for Dreamcast output, or a function of the ADX format itself?

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I'm a bit confused, I thought this adx format was developed for gamecube games. Does that mean it could be used as ps2 as well? an alternative to psf2 format?

You could, but the end result won't be any better or smaller than a PSF2 if you're thinking of using this on streamed music.

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Originally Posted by Monkey King

I notice in the tutorial that they say to downsample to 24000 Hz. Is this necessary for Dreamcast output, or a function of the ADX format itself?

That's pretty much for Dreamcast, or - as noted - if you want file size over sound quality. I may try it in future experiments, but in this case I wanted the DoC tracks to sound sharp.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Great idea, Squaretex. I'm downloading it now.

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Alright, I'm gonna be on vacation for about a week or so. But when I get back, I plan on attacking the loopables on Disc 2.

Later, everyone!

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On behalf of all Hamauzu-fanatics everywhere, myself included, a VERY big Thanks!!!



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It has been ages since I've done anything with this soundtrack. Sorry it took so long.

Anyway, here's part 3 of my experiments:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/n4cidj

"...part 3? Where's part 2?"

Well, I haven't got to disc 2 of the DoC soundtrack yet. But when the Multiplayer Sound Collection was released recently (thanks again, RyuFAN!), I was prompted back into action. This particular collection is the loopable tracks from that. Yep, enjoy extended versions of "Turks 101", "Pegasus Riders", and so many others.

Now, I'm not sure if "Song of the Gathered" was supposed to looped or not. I like it so much, though, that I decided to try it. So, if you like what I came up with, great; if not, into the recycle bin.

So that's that.
And I WILL get to disc 2...don't wanna deprive anyone of a loopable "Immaculate" for long!

p.s. All of the submissions I made are of ones where looping is obvious. If, when all is said and done, there is one I missed because it's not quite clear to tell where a loop goes, please tell me.

I was speaking idiomatically.

...and FINALLY...Part 2:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/00kz5i

If anyone needs part 1 again, let me know and I'll repost it.

How ya doing, buddy?

Hello, thanks for the tunes, could yuo please post part 1 again?

TIA!

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